You seem to be implying that I have chosen the field for this dispute. That is not the case. I have responded directly to every point that Izzy raised. It is the case that his support for calling me an outright liar (the exchange whic propogated to this thread) rests entirely on the content of my memory. That is not my doing. If Izzy does not feel competent to expound upon the contents of my memory, then he should apply such wisdom retroactively to his conviction that I lied about the same.
To be thorough, he did also use the religious morality thread to charge me with intellectual dishonesty. Since neither my rereading of that thread nor that of any other poster who has chosen to comment upon it reveals any such behavior, I have asked him to clarify his complaint. Wring has also asked him if he would provide examples. Izzy has refused. Given his refusal to offer specific examples, what is left for me to say on the matter? That I disagree with him? That the offense he sees so clearly is transparent to the rest of us? That I wish he would offer a more detailed argument than simply linking to a multipage thread? Done, done and done. What else?
I repeat, I am not the one who has established the context for this discussion. If Izzy has complaints about the field, he should take up that argument with his mirror. Or his conscience.
Not quite. The nature of Izzy’s evidence has been made clear. I have no need for him to state what is already public and plain. I have asked him to retract his charge. He has refused. Initially, I also asked for an apology. I still think one is warranted, but no apology is meaningful unless it is born sincerely from contrition. I see little reason to expect such a result here.
I do not follow you. Which exchange are you trying to characterize here? Izzy’s reliability was not the subject of the estate tax thread, and my statement about not remembering any any particular conflict was in diret response to his mention of the same.
If you are talking about the political thread, the only one in which Izzy’s objectivity was raised as a topic, I never said I did not remember him. I said that I did not know whether he supported Bush or Gore. I honestly do not see how you can read a veiled insult into that.
I have no idea what you mean by the “oh, who are you again?” rebuttal. To be precise, it should be the “what fights?” rebuttal. You are a member of long standing in this forum, too, but if your next post mentions past conflicts between us I will similarly say, “which ones, I don’t remember any.” What is significant or insulting about that?
As to the implications of my not remembering said conflicts, they are what they are. Frankly, the direct implications run far more to myself than to Izzy. Nevertheless, the fact is that I did not remember. I am willing to accept the implications of the truth.
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Thanks for your concern. Rest easy, I am not at all close to falling to pieces. In fact, thanks to the examples of such posters as jodi and yourself and scylla and freedom (how’s that for an unlikely groupping) I feel quite relaxed and easygoing, now. (Though that might be the booze talking.) Even the vein has stopped throbbing. In accepting the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, though, it seems I must acknowledge you my better. I have yet to conquer the urge to vanquish them.
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I also thank each of you who have responded to this thread, especially those of you (both friends and sometime adversaries) who placed your honest evaluations on the record. It is a welcome reminder of why I do place such value on my membership in this community.
Oh, and flowbark, you bucking for hero status, boy?
Yep! That’s the crux of the issue when it comes to the ways in which I piss people off around here: I will talk shit all day long about people I don’t know, but who are famous, i.e. that man sitting in the White House. But when it comes to private individuals I am interacting with personally, no I don’t talk that way to them.
I can admit to being a little more lax with my language around people I know. With people I don’t know, you would never hear a single innapropriate word out of me.
Unless you found me in the month of November, during a highly stressful election:)
