What's the point of making a "big movie" and just doing a limited release?

I mean, I guess I understand a very limited release for a low budget art house deal, but I’m talking about In The Shadow of the Moon, which is a documentry about the Moon Shot that Ron Howard is involved with.

I just heard about it a couple days ago, and wanted to see it. In Houston “Space City” Texas, the movie played in one theatre for like a week, and is long gone. Now, I know something like this isn’t going to sell tickets like Spider Man 4 or anything like that, but why bother with a theatre release at all if hardly anybody knows about it? Why not either cut it straight to DVD, or spend a few bucks on distribution so people can actually see it in the theatre?

I just took a look at the venues on the movie web page linked to the OP - there are in excess of 200 venues listed there.

For a documentary, or art film, my impression is that’s pretty wide distribution.

Of course, part of my reaction is that I’m comparing this to when I got involved with trying to promote the theatrical release of an animated film back in the 90s. There they had a “huge success” and got it into about 20 theatres.

P.S. It’s still playing here at The Little. :stuck_out_tongue:

No answer, but I’ve been wondering this very thing about The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Johnny Ford. It’s been in release for weeks and has yet to play anywhere near where I live (though I think it opens tomorrow here). It’s a Brad Pitt western so while it might not be shoot-em-up action flick neither is it low-budget art house and I can’t imagine it’s made by a non-profit corp. Critical and audience reaction has been generally quite favorable so it’s not a “cut your losses by not distributing/straight to DVD” thing. No idea what the deal is on movies like this but would love to learn.

Nitpick, sorry. It’s Robert, not Johnny.

It’s a damn good movie too, excellent, though, it actually is more arty-house than mainstream Western. My dad ONLY watches Westerns (ok, maybe the occasional war movie once every few years) and I would never in a million years take him to see this or recommend it to him once it’s on DVD. He’d fall asleep from boredom. I kinda learned my lesson when I tried to make him watch Once Upon A Time In The West. Same kinda “Not a whole lot happens but if you’re in the mood and have the time and patience it’s fascinating watching it all not happen” (at least, until you get to the title sequence of this particular one, in which something actually happens) movie. Brad Pitt and Casey Affleck both are fantastic, which, contrary to silly-assed people who’ve been saying “who knew?”, was not surprising to me at all. I hope they both get nominated for Academy Awards, but the movie is probably too small for awards attention.

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Anyway, sorry for the OP’s pain.

I love The Little. And I think it’s been playing there for a few weeks now.

They were also one of the few theaters to play Bubba Ho-Tepp when it came out and seeing that in a packed house with other Bruce Campbell fanboys was a thing of beauty.

Well, I worked in theatrical distribution for a large movie studio for over 10 years and have workd for some small distributiors, so I guess I’m the cloeset to an ‘expert’ you are going to get.
Deciding how to distribute a film is huge deal. What date it will open, the number of theatres, the number of screens, are all seen as extremely important decisions. The wider you open a film, wider being number of screens or locations, the cost of that opening will escalate. National media campains cost a lot more than targeted campains to a few select markets. So you can run a newspaper and, thanks to cable tv, run very targets television ads and really do well in your ‘select’ theatres.

There is a huge database on theatres, movies and their grosses. Kind of like baseball stats. For instance the Jesse James movie movie mentioned.

It is

Rated R for some strong violence and brief sexual references

It stars Brad Pitt as it’s major star.

It’s a western.

You can look up to see how other Rate R Western movies opened and compare those openings of ‘this’ weekend to ‘that’ weekend. Or Rated R Brad Pitt movies. Or movies that were just rated R for some strong violence and brief sexual references.

You can compare the grosses that the AMC theatre had verses the Landmark, verses the Cinemark theatre in the same market and say we want the Landmark in Seattle (north side) and the Cinemark on the eastside. Then your sales department fights to get those locations. So it is well known within the industry, which theatres do well with which product. This place may be an ‘action house’ and this place may do better with adult fare, and yes, some places are know to do well with ‘Christian’ movies.

Is your star going to be available/willing to do the talk show circuit the week before you open is another question that can affect the decisons on when to open a movie.
A film like In the Shadow of the Moon is really affect by print costs. It costs about 5K, on average to make one physical print of movie. Digital prints can actually be more expensive. They aren’t just buring DVDs when they do that. Shipping a digital print is much cheeper for the distribution company but of course, not all screens or locations have the ability to do a digital print. So if you make 10 prints or of you are making 3000 prints, you can see where the cost of prints and shipping really add up quickly. So you have to really question, can this theatre gross enough so that over opening weekend it will pay enough rental to cover the print cost. That is frequently the goal, to cover the print cost on opening weekend. Now for a film like Shadow of the Moon, well, you can make a few prints, show it here, ship it to another location and show it there, and move it and ship it again because it is not like a film like Shreck 3, where you make the vast majority of the gross on the opening weekend. They have the luxury of showing in only a few theatres at a time and really, if you opened it in all the theatres it ultimately plays in at the same time, it probably won’t make any difference on the gross, but it will make a difference on the profits because it is cheeper to release it slowly.

So a tentpole release, or some really hyped movie, tries to open as wide as it can, on a good weekend at the appropriate theaters. They are out to maximise the opening weekend gross so they cast a wide net.

This time of year, there will be movies that open limited, hoping to build critical reviews and word of mouth from audiences. Someone can see a film in Rochester NY, talk about how great it is on a message board and spread WOM really well. One reason for that is that a lot of movies are opening wide. Like half a dozen each week. That makes doing business very tough. So the open limited and hold at those locations is one strategey that can work. Of course if the audience doesn’t think you film is very good, then you’re screwed.

Can you elaborate on this? What is a ‘digital print’ if not a DVD?

Although it is a Digital Video Disk, they are not like the ‘home version’. If the make a disk at all, some systems use downloading to receive prints. This is nice as to play the print, the studio has to unlock it, via a web-based program, and the studio can track everytime it plays and can stop the movie at anytime.

Why is that important?

Well sometimes a theatre will claim that they are showing the movie X number of times in a week. Let’s say ten times. Now that theatre is in Idaho and the distributor is in LA or NYC. So how do they know that they aren’t really showing it 20 times and not reporting half of the gross. Well they do check the newspaper ads the theatre runs and they call the theatre and listen to the recording. (try doing that with 2000 theatres showing your movie) or a theatre may say, we stopped showing that on the 18th but it goes ahead and shows it the following week. Digital prints tell the distributor everytime they are shown.

I hope all you guys are actually members of the Little and supporting it with hard cash. :slight_smile:

Yes, I am.

I want to emphasize how important word of mouth is for adults that are aimed at adults. Most movies these days are aimed at teen or young audiences that automatically go to the movies every weekend and see films as soon as they come out. These films are essentially critic-proof.

Adult audiences have a much greater tendency not to rush out to see a film no matter how much it is hyped. They wait for reviews, for recommendations from friends, and for general chatter about whether something is worth seeing. Rolling an adult movie out gradually so that it doesn’t hit a smaller market on a weekend and then disappear because of lack of sales is vitally important to its long-term success.

In the Shadow of the Moon is a documentary. By definition that makes it the smallest of small pictures. It is not and cannot be treated as a “big movie.” I don’t know why it only played in Houston of all places for merely a week, but let’s face it: Houston is no Upstate New York. :slight_smile:

Bingo. This particular movie was released on September 21, meaning it juuust makes the cut-off for Oscar noms (September 30).

Huh?

Are you saying films released after 9/30 can not be nominated?

Huh? I thought movies could be released until the end of the year to be nominated for Oscars.

I’m not sure where you’re getting your info, but just so long as a movie plays in LA for one week in this calendar year (ending 12/31), it is eligible for any of the feature film Oscar categories*.

*there are different rules for docs and foreign language films, neither of which apply to the film being discussed in that comment

Pardon me, I was all kinds of wrong. Duh. That’s the date for foreign films to be released in their country of origin, and the movie in question was only shot in Canada and directed by a Kiwi. The US date is the last day of the year before the awards. Which is why there’s an influx of films involving hookers, ‘ugly’ women (actresses donning fake noses, fat suits, etc.) and biopics in those last few months. I am a fool.