No money no honey.
Thanks for pointing out the typo where I meant honey and brain farted money.
No money no honey.
Thanks for pointing out the typo where I meant honey and brain farted money.
Lisa: “Do you have anything that wasn’t horribly murdered?”
Homer: “I think the veal died of loneliness…”
What is marschstiefel?
But it’s ALIIIVE! Well, until you cook it.
On a similar note, is there a vegan consensus about silk?
The silkworm, which produces it, is utterly dependent on human interest in silk: If everybody stopped wearing silk and otherwise using the fiber, the silkworm would go extinct. I understand their desire to not profit from the existence of domesticated animals, but if nobody profited from the silkworm’s domestication there would cease to be silkworms and vegans would be responsible for an (admittedly minor) extinction event.
I actually feel this way about fur animals. Humans are rapacious creatures, and for more unworshipful cultures anything we’re not exploiting will eventually be exterminated as a pest. Thus, I’m no vegan.
Vegans mostly avoid silk since it includes killing thousands of animals through heat. As to whether it is better to be extinct or to be boiled alive, I guess a thoughtful silkworm might agree with Sophocles, ‘The greatest of all boons is never to have been born’.
By that logic, reductio ad absurdum, we should nuke the planet to end suffering.
Someone has evidently been producing silk without killing, in India.
Now that’s actually cool. So was the boiling the pupae mid-matamorphosis just for efficiency?
Except that of course the seeds *are *plants, and they are killing them.
The only way to really do this would be to only eat vegetative parts of plants, like taking the carrot root and then re-planting the top.
As someone who’s grown fruit trees from seed, I think there are enough extra fruits that most dying before they sprout is OK. Or after they sprout…wait.
Anyway, an unsprouted seed hasn’t that much invested in its existence. It’s sort of embryonic.
Not if that which perished to create the fuel died before one was born.
Any vegans that eat carrion out there?
From before they were born??? :eek:
What is marschstiefel?
Jackboots to you. Same as the older German armies, including the late East Germany’s, mostly wore, and the Russian army still does. They are simple and functional.
And actually, throughout those lands through the 19th century, vast endless hordes of civilians as well. Look at any Russian peasant wearing those massive shirts with belts, and they are generally not wearing dancing pumps.
Humans are rapacious creatures, and for more unworshipful cultures anything we’re not exploiting will eventually be exterminated as a pest.
So to preserve them, you kill them now. Perhaps between giant rollers as are poured the little chicks…
By that logic, reductio ad absurdum, we should nuke the planet to end suffering.
Dunno, I never cared for the Greek tragedians much: but given the choice between not ever living, and ending one’s living by being boiled alive — as Henry VIII is supposed to have sentenced a poisoning cook, and more definitely I recently read some Chinese did to captured enemies in the Tai-Ping Rebellion — I’d prolly chose not to be born in the first place.
I think it’s in Andre Malraux’s ‘Man’s Estate’, a novel, that the famed lunatic buddhist warlord, Baron Ungern von Sternberg, who started off as a tsarist then developed ambitions of his own, shoved communists in train engine furnaces… In Britain, we would call the baron a rum bird.
I’ve been told that generally a few bees die with every honey harvest, so there’s that.
So what? In a normal-sized hive, a dozen or two bees die every single day. So yes, a few bees die on the day of the honey harvest. And a few died the day before, and a few more will die the next day.
It would be different if you were asserting that a few more bees die on each day that honey is harvested. But then I’d ask for a cite.
She asks me to add that honey is used in most store brands of bread.
Ridiculous!
Haney is far too expensive to use in a highly-competitive, low-margin operation like a commercial bread bakery. In fact, even sugar is too expensive – most now use corn syrup instead.
So what? In a normal-sized hive, a dozen or two bees die every single day. So yes, a few bees die on the day of the honey harvest. And a few died the day before, and a few more will die the next day.
It would be different if you were asserting that a few more bees die on each day that honey is harvested. But then I’d ask for a cite.
Here’s a really interesting thread on the same topic as this one.
Is honey considered suitable for vegans? It is after all an animal by-product.
It’s interesting because beekeper-doper Scylla’s comments - and change of stance. Note that although Scylla says the accidental killing of bees can be elimintated by care, it seem that the ‘re-queening’ issue isn’t - but rather, requires a change in conscience.
As far as I can tell, it’s necessary to kill some queen bees, to maintain order and production.
So was the boiling the pupae mid-matamorphosis just for efficiency?
As I understand it. it’s because the coccoon is damaged or stained when the adult emerges - and that this results in an inferior grade of silk.
Not sure if that’s a procedure based on fact or excess caution though.
As someone who’s grown fruit trees from seed, I think there are enough extra fruits that most dying before they sprout is OK. Or after they sprout…wait.
Of course the same is true of rabbits, so why not eat rabbits.
Anyway, an unsprouted seed hasn’t that much invested in its existence. It’s sort of embryonic.From before they were born??? :eek:
Uh huh. In stark contrast to lettuce leaves, which have sooooo much invested in their existence.
Except that of course the seeds *are *plants, and they are killing them.
The only way to really do this would be to only eat vegetative parts of plants, like taking the carrot root and then re-planting the top.
I thought the point of fruits was to be eaten by animals (humans included, at least in the old days) such that the seed could survive through the intestines and pooped out intact and ready to sprout elsewhere?
Of course, that doesn’t happen these days with humans anymore, and there’s some minor griping that we’ve betrayed the human-fruit contract…
Any vegans that eat carrion out there?
Some freegans probably do. Especially if the Whole Foods dumpster counts as carrion.
I thought the point of fruits was to be eaten by animals (humans included, at least in the old days) such that the seed could survive through the intestines and pooped out intact and ready to sprout elsewhere?
That is true of maybe 1% of fruit. It is not true of the vast a majority of fruits. Grasses, legumes and nuts, for example, go to great lengths to stop animals from eating their fruits, since it invariably kills the seed.
That is true of maybe 1% of fruit. It is not true of the vast a majority of fruits. Grasses, legumes and nuts, for example, go to great lengths to stop animals from eating their fruits, since it invariably kills the seed.
Neat. Never knew.
Does this have to do with the culinary vs botanical definition of “fruit”?