Ask yourself: what’s to stop you from suddenly turning and shooting them? What’s to stop you from flipping the bird at the asshole who cut you off in traffic, and then running him off of the road? What to keep you from ramming your car into the person who took your spot in the grocery store parking lot?
The very idea that you are afraid of someone at a shooting range with a gun just illustrates the irrational fear of certain people.
This is quite possibly the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread. I’ll let the SDMB Self-Defense experts point out all the ways you are wrong, but rest assured, they are Legion.
The Tooth: citing anti-gun organizations is not going to win many converts to your aruments.
But, I’m not, not anymore. That was the whole point of my post. Sorry, if I wasn’t clear, but I am now pro-gun. I love shooting them and can’t wait to go back again this Sunday and shoot some more. I do think the fear of guns is irrational and that if they went to a shooting range with an expert and learning how to shoot, they would think differently.
My gonna be cop friend who also teaches self-defense completely disagrees with you and it just makes common sense. I pick up a knife, I immediately know how to use it since I have used knifes before in cooking and for other tasks. I pick up a gun and I have no idea how to use it unless someone shows me.
So, what does this say about your stance in this thread? It is just a chance to yank folks chain? You don’t want a gun ban, or more control, or the guns locked up at the police station? You would carry if you could? For heavens sake why? Or is it just a chance to bash the US of A about it’s crime rate? I am not saying I know hat you think, I’m not even sure you know that. I just wonder why you want to poke at the folks here? If guns are not needed and people should not be carrying them around, then why do you say you would if you could in the safe and sane Canada?
I’m confused, splain please.
My point is that most folks don’t really know what they would do in any given situation and I was and am letting you know that a lot has happened to me and mine. Every one I can document. You may call me a liar but enough people here know that I speak from personal experience and these things have happened to me. Email me and I will give you the number of the police department and which officer to talk to. I will then expect a total and complete apology on the board because I will check to see that you do make the call.
If you see that murder, rape, attempted kidnapping, robbery, etc. are just to be blown off and make accusations that I’m a liar and that what I said was just telling you what you think, then you are … I have no words. It is becoming obvious that you really are so self centered and think that it is all about you, that I’m just in awe.
Have your opinions, That is your right. They are not worth anything to me anymore. Canada is really pretty, enjoy it a long time… Please.
The skill to filet a fish or chop up a chicken has nothing to do with the ability to effectively keep sharpened steel pointed at a person intent on doing bodily harm to you; the reflexes, and more importantly, the mindset, are entirely different.
I’n not a self-defense expert and I know even that much.
However, a naked blade does have a psychological impact all out of proportion to the damage it can actually do; it’s why, for crowd control, a rifle with a bayonet is much more effective that a rifle by itself.
You are misunderstanding what I am saying. I am not saying that I would want a knife for my self-defense. I want, and plan on buying, a gun as soon as I know how to use one. However, if someone were to threaten me right now, I would get a knife first since guns require knowledge and I just started using them.
What I am saying, is that the gonna-be cop I know who works and lives in the inner city regard knives as more dangerous than guns. He says if you are going to regulate something, he’d suggest regulating knives way before you start regulating guns.
All the people I know who are anti-gun live in nice communities and don’t have to deal with ‘bad guys’ on a regular basis.
ExTank, and others. As gun owners it’s very hard to see where kimera is coming from.
There are many, like kimera, that have no familiarity with firearms. It’s like trying to explain driving a car to someone that has never been in one.
I’ve been a shooter since I was 9 years old. Pretty much everything about guns comes natural to me.
A case in point. When teaching one person to shoot, they asked “which site should I use? The one on the front, or the one on the rear?” It took me a second to realize that they they did not understand the simple concept of aligning the sites. I was stunned.
There is a HUGE gulf here. Those that don’t know anything about guns, REALLY DON’T KNOW ANYTING ABOUT GUNS (I’m NOT looking at you kimera you’re learning, good for you). The problem, as I see it, is fear of the unknown. Those that don’t know anything about guns, are trying to write policy on them. And they have, the AWB is a good example of this.
I have a difficult time debating with the ‘I don’t need it, I know nothing about it, I’m afraid of it contingent’.
That’s the stance of the majority of the anti-gun folks.
The anti-gun people here (on the SDMB) have brought up some interesting points, but for the most part, you are drowned out by those that don’t have the first clue of what they are talking about.
Policy based on fear of the unknown is not something that I can support.
My opinion has be called spiteful. It may be at this point. I was never pro or anti gun. I was just a gun owner. Now, I am staunchly pro gun.
Fool me once… you did. Not again.
Until the anti-gun folks can show some reason, and knowledge about guns. This formerly moderate person will vote against all gun laws.
I think that’s exactly it. Shooting is a lot of fun. I’ve brought several of my female friends along since the first time I’ve went and all of them loved it. I brought along one friend who used to be very anti-gun and after the first session she changed her mind. I think that pro-gun people need to understand that most anti-gun people don’t know anything about guns. And that’s not their fault, now most of us grow up without ever seeing a gun except on tv. I’ve invited all my anti-gun friends who live nearby to come to the shooting range with me. I think they will change their minds too.
Same here. I keep checking “this thread that won’t die”. I have “issues” with people who don’t really know what they are talking about, nad have no experience with, trying to cram their ignorance down our throats. You don’t like guns? Fine. Don’t buy them. You like guns? Fine. Buy them. Just don’t pass more damn laws telling the rest of us what to do.
To all the Anti people out there.
I live in California. You damn people have already passed enough laws here based on what you dislike or disapprove of, or don’t know a fucking thing about. Antigun. Antismoking. Antigasguzzler. AntiEverydamnthing. Wanting rules about whether we’ll be “permitted” to have a Supersize. What you can’t ban or restrict, you put a “sin tax” on. Mind your own damn business. We don’t wnat any more of your damn “help”. Get out of our private lives and stay out. Damn control freaks.
Arwin, people who are intent on committing crimes will commit them. That one guy’s actions are no reason to curtail my rights - and even if you did, you wouldn’t stop people like him from committing acts of violence against others.
No, but nothing makes it as easy as a gun. A few seconds really matter in these cases. It’s hard to see a bullet coming and duck. Your arguments for using a gun for your self defense works both ways, in that respect.
No, actually it doesn’t. Laws don’t stop people from comitting crimes, and making it hard for law abiding people to get guns certainly doesn’t make it hard for those who want to commit crimes with them.
There’s absolutely no reason to believe that more restrictions would’ve stopped this guy, and there’s no basis in his behavior for curtailing my rights.
