What's Wrong With Black Lives Matter

And use that later fact to disavow the prejudice against them, yeah, we know how you think.

For every one we hear about, there are plenty that we don’t.

There was a police shooting in my city a couple years ago that you probably didn’t hear about, and it barely gets talked about here. A black police officer shot and killed a disabled white man in his 60s, and some people outside the area said, “OK, why aren’t all the white residents of that city rioting in the streets?” I’ll tell you why. It’s because there were multiple witnesses, mostly neighbors this man had repeatedly threatened over the years, and it was declared to be open-and-shut justified.

The officer has a Hispanic name and self-identifies as such, but a casual observer would say he’s black. His father is Hispanic and his mother is black.

BLM reminds me of PETA, in that both organizations have a great PR department and are getting their funding from somewhere. Membership in neither organization would be claimed by any self-respecting person who knew what they really are MHO.

BLM, with the help of white-guilt Caucasians, have created a false narrative of racism, in order to divert accountability. It’s easier to blame cops, instead of facing the music.
Police officers actually kill more whites than blacks. Blacks account for half of the homicides in the US, despite making up just 14% of the US population. Digging further, the overwhelming majority of those murders are committed by black males, between the ages of 15-34; which accounts for between 3-4% of the US population. So despite the grossly disproportionate amount of violent crime committed by blacks, whites are actually disproportionately killed by cops.

That scary number–3-4% of the population accounting for so much violence–is what the BLM movement is trying to divert from. They’re also trying to divert from black gang rates, black-on-black crime numbers, and black absentee father statistics.
The overwhelming majority of police shootings are justified. The fact that the Mike Brown incident is still mentioned among BLM as an example of police racism, furthers how desperate they are to push examples of police racism; while clearly discrediting them in the eyes of any normal thinking person.

Remember, the officer in the Mike Brown situation was cleared by President Obama’s department of justice. Black eyewitnesses, along with physical evidence, irrefutably prove officer Wilson’s innocence. But again, facts don’t matter.

It must be emphasized that these devious opportunists do not represent most black people, just like most white people want nothing to do with the pieces of garbage who makeup the KKK.

Well, for starters, the NRA has an actual, defined membership list, with members that pay dues. BlackLivesMatter is often described as a “movement” which has inherently-fuzzier membership criteria. It sounds to me like you’re advancing an unfalsifiable position: ‘no one knows who is a member of #BLM (or at least you’re unlikely to accept any criteria I put forward), so they can’t be a violent movement.’ I’m comfortable, given the history of violent protests in Ferguson, Baltimore, Dallas, Oakland, and now Milwaukee, with my belief that #BlackLivesMatter is a violent movement. I leave it to other readers to decide their own opinion on the matter.

Specifically, #'s 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, & 10 from the “Campaign Zero” list I provided in post #10. I can see the difference between a worthy goal and stupid, counter-productive tactics used in an attempt to achieve the goal. Do you not believe it’s possible to criticize the movement’s tactics while approving of their stated goal?

But in each of those cases you are labeling violent people as part of BLM, and then you are using that as evidence that BLM is violent.

BLM has participated in protests, and sometimes they have stopped traffic or taken people’s microphones away, but I’d like to see some evidence that they are violent before labeling as a violent group.

tbf, I wouldn’t care what adjective a guy on a message board used. The reality is the USA is an unacceptably Apartheid state and after 200 friggin years of lynching and worse maybe folks are getting fed up.

How many black people have been killed by cops since Dallas and Baton Rouge?

I think this is a flippant use of the word apartheid. We have a lot of problems, and maybe MrDibble will correct me if I’m wrong, but I think apartheid was much, much worse than the still significant present day US discrimination.

Well perhaps it would suit you t think that way - not being part of a group with a one in three chance of going to prison in their live

Or a live expectancy 10 years less than white people, as in southern States.

Or communities where 35% of adult black males are absent due to premature death or incarceration.

Or all the hundreds of other statistics that demonstrate utterly comprehensive, cultural, social, legal, institutional racism

I agree that these are enormous problems and legacies of the incredible past and present influence of white supremacy in the USA – and apartheid was still much worse. Maybe MrDibble will correct me if I’m wrong.

Worse, but not “much” worse, actually. For instance, the apartheid junta never incarcerated Blacks at the rate the US currently does.

Thanks for the info!

Don’t get me wrong, it was worse than current US race relations in a lot of ways. But functionally not much worse than the Jim Crow-era US and certainly never as bad as slavery US (South African blacks are not the descendants of slaves.)

From my understanding of apartheid, I agree with all this. The Jim Crow South was effectively an apartheid society. Remnants of this remain, but I objected to the use of “apartheid” for modern oppression and discrimination in the US because I thought it trivialized the real Apartheid.

It is a little difficult to discuss because there is the meme, slogan, hashtag and organization and members of the organization. They aren’t perfect subsets or consistent.

A little trite but a recent meme said that if you don’t like “black lives matter” because it doesn’t say “all lives matter” but you are okay with “blue lives matter”, perhaps your issue is with the the color. That was a post-RNC item.

I think that’s a poor metric anyway, because aside from the race issue, the US just has a problem with incarcerating a huge number of the population period, regardless of race. I mean for god’s sake we have more people in prison than China!

I wonder what life in a Chinese prison is like compared to life in a US prison?

Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?

I’ve had, and enjoyed, both Turkish taffy and Turkish towels.