That article has nothing to do with what you’re talking about. In fact, it even refers to the e-cig’s output as “aerosol,” not smoke. The only thing it was examining was the amount of vacuum pressure needed to get the cigarette or e-cig to work (ie, how hard you have to puff to smoke them.)
Smoke is the result of combustion…no combustion, no smoke. Just because both smoke and aerosol are fine particulates and/or droplets suspended in the atmosphere doesn’t mean they’re the same thing.
Huh. I thought these must be a total scam (sounds too good to be true, etc.) but now I’m intrigued. I smoke between 2 and 5 cigarettes a day, which is very little, but somehow giving up those is just killing me. For people that have tried this- does it “feel” like smoking? I mean, is holding the e-cig mentally satisfying in the same way? I think at this point my problem is mainly mental; if I could replicate the sensation I would be very happy with that.
Yes. The safe cig and Volcano both look like cigarettes. You inhale nicotine from them and exhale what appears to be short lasting smoke. The tubes are metal or plastic rather than paper, but it soon feels as though you were holding a cigarette.
The problem will come when I through a Safe Cig battery out the car window or put a lit Camel in my pocket. 
I believe that was in response to “What am I missing?” He’s missing tar.
I have no idea what you are saying.
Regardless of whether aerosol = smoke, you perhaps have a valid point. One of the big issues with cigarettes is second-hand smoke. One of the selling points of these is the ability to “smoke” in areas where smoking is not allowed, because it doesn’t create second-hand smoke.
But the devices do output some small amount of residue. So questions arise as to the nature, quantity, and properties of this residue in relation to second-hand smoke. It may be that the output is much safer (because if it’s safer for all the things not in it for the smoker, then those things are also not in it for the secondhand intake) and less offensive (doesn’t produce the saturation of horrible smoker smell that permeates everything), or it may be that the only reason it doesn’t create that permeation is the sparseness of use. Or it may be that propylene glycol vapor or whatever is pretty lousy stuff to inhale, even if it doesn’t smell bad, and secondhand is still enough around to cause troubles.
Perhaps we will see inclusion of these into future anti-smoking ordinances.
Smoke IS an aerosol. Check out the Wikipedia articles on “aerosol” and “smoke”. If you can, find the book “Aerosol Technology” by W. C. Hinds. Look at smoke generators at Aerosol Generators & Accessories Archives - Air Techniques International and http://www.cleanroommart.com/thermal.asp and http://www.nucon-int.com/instruments/aerosol/f1000f.shtml, which generate the smoke used to test HEPA filters and other cleanroom devices. They generate smoke by heating an oil (such as DOP or oleic acid) to a vapor which recondenses to form smoke. It does not have to combust. You can get the same thing by putting a little vegetable oil on an electric stove burner.
It should be obvious that cigarette smoke has not combusted - when you trap enough of it on a clean surface such as a microscope slide, it is thick and oily, not ash. It isn’t fully oxidized.
I’ve smoked e-cigarettes in a room on non-smoking guests, who were pleasantly surprised.
Probably. I don’t vape in non smoking areas. It isn’t worth the hassle.
All of the people I know who have switched to electronic cigarettes puff on those damn things all of the time like every couple of minutes. I mean they kind of remind me of crack smokers, they have to be taking in a lot more nicotine daily than they would with the regular smokes.
I do when not at work. I think it comes from smoking a burning cigarette; if you don’t smoke, it burns up. I smoke or vape an e cigarette as long as it lasts. Habits, if I may be ironic, die hard.
The main issue is that all Nicotine replacement therapies have a 93% recidivism rate within one year.
Cite “A meta-analysis of the efficacy of over-the-counter nicotine replacement
Tob Control 2003”
Note that 91.2% of people who successfully quit for an extended period of time quit cold turkey.
It is very difficult for the first few weeks but at least for me improved quickly after that.
I understand that it is difficult but realize that ex-smokers outnumber smokers now, so you can do it too.
I used the free resources at whyquit.org to quit after 20 years of being a smoker, I had tried the patch, gum, anti-depressants, e-cigarettes, etc…
Now I have to go back and read the journal I kept to remember how hard that first week was, and remember how freeing it is to not be chained to tobacco stores and the addiction.
You can do it, just keep trying
I quit for eleven years when in the hospital for three days. I had a button on my chest for morphine.
I’m not advocating drug abuse, but if you can do it under adult supervision…
The PBS series NOVA did a great show five or ten years back called The Search for a Safer Cigarette. It explained some pretty amazing things that even today people don’t realize:
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[li]Nicotine doesn’t cause cancer[/li][li]Nicotine is only mildly worse than caffeine and not nearly as bad as alcohol[/li][li]The burning of the tobacco at high temps is where ALL the carcinogenic compounds come from[/li][li]Big Tobacco spent billions developing ecigs and then were basically told by the anti-smoking lobby to shove it, we want you guys out of business, period![/li][/ul]
Bottom line, ecigs are MUCH safer than regular ones. Sure, they’re still unhealthy but so are a lot of things. But unfortunately anti-smoking groups don’t see ecigs as remotely positive. They just want tobacco made a Schedule I drug (i.e. illegal). And unfortunately I think they’ll eventually succeed.
And I don’t even smoke!
That may be, but a lot of people who switch to e-cigarettes have no intention of quitting, they are simply removing the primary objection to smoking, the second-hand smoke. People can no longer complain about how it smells, how it stinks up their clothes, how they get cancer simply by walking past a person who is smoking, all the usual stuff. Now they can have their fix without any of the complaints.
And yet, people still complain, thus demonstrating to me that it’s not about all of that, those are just convenient excuses. It’s about control, an argument that many, including myself, have long advanced. They now have the ability to be free of everything that smoking entails, but e-smokes are still bad and should be banned from public places, even though it’s ultimately quickly-dissipating water vapor with some nicotine and a bit of flavor added.
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[li]The burning of the tobacco at high temps is where ALL the carcinogenic compounds come from[/li][/quote]
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Then why do users of chewing tobacco have high incidences of oral and throat cancers? Something there doesn’t add up.
The carcinogens are present in chewing tobacco.
Some, but not all. Some of the carcinogens (PAHs and nitrosamines) are formed during the burning of the cig. Also, by getting your nicotine by not smoking, you miss the CO too, and the CO has - at least according to my doctor - a pretty negative effect on your heart.
I stand corrected.
He knows that. He was replying to the statement by Hail Ants that all carcinogens are caused by burning the tobacco at high temps. He was giving a counter example to refute it.
As far as the OP is concerned, I believe it is more important that no tobacco is present in E-cigarettes. I presume there are a tiny amount of carcinogens present if the nicotine is extracted from tobacco, just as there is a tiny amount of cocaine present in coca cola.
I don’t see anything wrong with them - it’s become a hobby for me, I have several dozen flavor concentrates, and I can mix my own liquid with whatever concentration of nicotine I want. It works out to pennies per mL this way, and I go through about $10/month of other related supplies. It is more fiddly this way, I’ll admit, but much less expensive than the pre-packaged jobbies.
Having said all of that, it’s worth doing your research before buying one - a complete kit shouldn’t cost you more than about $40, unless you’re buying both bells and whistles. A lot of the more expensive brands either use standard off-the-shelf parts and mark them up incredibly, or change the threads or other minor things so as to make them non-interchangeable. Even if you want to go the pre-filled route, you still shouldn’t be spending anything close to analog cigarette money.
Today’s flavor, by the way, is peach waffle. (I’m on a major waffle kick).
And carnivorousplant, holy jesus, I live in the same place as you, maybe! (I live in Little Rock).
I’d really like to know how you do it so cheaply. The best I’ve found so far is being able to refill Safe Cig cartridges with goop from Volcano.
I’m just West of Little Rock, towards Ferndale.