Say what? An animal cannot clearly communicate consent?
I’m guessing none of you saying this have ever had a pet It’s pretty obvious what any animal is thinking after you become familiar with their body language…and animals are MUCH more clear about making it known that they’re getting pissed off than humans are. You simply do not play with a dog, horse, etc, without its consent, or it will HURT you. Likewise, if they’re interested, they’ll make it known by rubbing up against you, teasing, that sort of thing.
With male animals, it’ll be particularly obvious that they’re willing participants. You just can’t fake an erection or ejaculation I don’t see a problem with it. In fact, it’d be nice if more people would screw their pets (or vice-versa) – it isn’t very humane to keep these animals cooped up in an artificial environment and never let them have sex at all throughout their life just because their human keepers think the idea is “icky”.
I agree that male dogs express their interest in humping. But, do you really think that women are typical participants in acts of beastiality. I have a mental picture of teenage hillbillies taking turns sticking it to their sheep.
I couldn’t even begin to say (hard data on such a thing is hard to come by, for obvious reasons) but my first impulse would be to say that there’s just as many women interested in it as men. I remember reading some girls commiserating about how their dogs gave better sex for less maintenance to make happy (good boy, here’s a cookie!) than any human guy ever would And if you want really different, I know of some guys that are only interested in female humans, but are wild about male animals. Go figure
I think describing the is particular group of people as “sick and twisted” is a little harsh. Twisted, yes. Sick…well, they’re not harming anyone, and if someone wants to boink their stuffed animals in the privacy of their own home, I don’t have any problems with that.
You can’t honestly tell me you think it’s necessary to eat animals to live. If so, I and thousands of other people are in for a Bruce Willis-esque surprise one of these days.
Killing something is at least as damaging as fucking something. The only difference is that lots of people eat animals, so it’s not in vogue to suggest that it’s anything but a morally upright, saintly thing to do. Fucking animals is not so prevalent and there’s a negative connotation to it. Basically, what you’re saying is that the arguments that apply to bestiality don’t apply to eating animals because, well, because they just don’t, damnit!
Unless you can measure an animal’s capacity for suffering in human terms, you cannot derive any scale to determine when it’s ok to eat Bessy. And you cannot do that. Perhaps the strongest argument in favor of eating animals is that we should only care about our own species. Well, then, why do you think it is wrong to fuck animals? As long as a human is getting pleasure out of it, isn’t that all that matters?
Animals are physically harmed in the process of being raised for food. Frequently. Not to mention the harm that comes from killing them. But again, you will likely argue that the two aren’t comparable because they just aren’t!
Now, I really don’t want to bring the old vegetarianism argument in here, but the fact is, the two are quite comparable. The only difference is that people have an “ICK factor” for bestiality, but since they eat animals, they block out the “ICK factor” involved in that activity. The arguments that apply to one apply equally to the other.
“Just because you don’t fuck animals doesn’t mean you can tell other people they can’t. You don’t want to be a rude non-animal-fucker do you?” ahem Sorry for the tangent.
Substitute “beat” for “play with”. Do you think that it is impossible for a human to beat a dog or horse without being hurt in the process? It happens all the time. Animals cannot always defend themselves against humans. Even when they physically can they often don’t, either because they have been trained not to harm humans or because they are afraid to.
A lawyer friend of mine once had to prosecute a case involving a man who molested a horse so badly that it died of internal injuries. I think it is safe to assume that the poor animal did not consent to that. Yet the horse apparently did not fight back (or fought back unsuccessfully), as the man escaped uninjured.
Oh Please, do you think anyone really cares about these farm animals or their sex life. Oh some of us get all hot and bothered about killing farm animals, but does that affect their quality of life.I don’t think so. But I tell you what does. Young bulls having their scrotums clamped to eliminated blood flow for several minutes! followed by no sex for the rest of their life. Cows never ever enjoying the full benefit of a bull’s appendage and having to settle for a lousy human arm and needle with only one thrust. Stallions of low breeding being used to calm dawn a skittish mare kicking him all over and just when (she’s finally hot) he’s at the point of where all this abuse is going to be worth it, he is withdrawn in favour of the precious highbred stallion.
Talk about a lousy life. I would rather have a short good life than a lousy life. So I wouldn’t worry to much about if you want to poke Porky, but leave the chicken alone.Just wear a condom.
Well, as Freud said (and probably ripped off from someone else), something’s not taboo unless people want to do it. To wit, bestiality is taboo, but there is no cultural taboo about shoving red hot pokers up the ass.
Still, having worked my grandparents farm off and on when I was a kid I don’t think the average itsy bitsy weenie is going to even be noticed by most of your larger animals. I don’t think they are enjoying it, but then I don’t think it’s any worse for them than being out in a cold pasture or getting shots or pills blown down their throat. I do think that if some fella was humping a small dog it would hurt the dog and based on it being painful I think it would be animal cruelty. On the gripping hand, I used to have an American Pitbull Terrier that had an anal gland problem and I had to expectorate it (or get the groomer to do it for 50$ a shot) and I know it hurt the poor guy. It wasn’t really a medical problem and I could have not done it and he would have been ok, but it made him smell horrible (if you know what I’m talking about then you know the smell). I can’t imagine it not hurting small animals pretty badly though.
As for women doing it with dogs and stuff, well I don’t think you can force a male animal to have sex if it does not want to. No boner, no go. Also if the animal ejaculates thats’ kinda’ the proof that it had a good time right? I don’t know why a woman would do it, but then thats not the OP.
I think you would need to define animal cruelty to exclude legal eating and sex acts not physically painful or unusually traumatic to the animals. I’m certain you can gauge trauma, like I said some animals don’t notice much anyhow. Hell, you think them milking machines they use at dairies feel good?
I guess you could make a case for people mentally abusing animals in the same way as a non-impaired person using a willing but retarded person for sexual gratification. But then what about Dog Shows and how about dogs in commercials? Should they get to keep the money and decide when they are going to work and who they work for? They are animals, even if it is cruel we do all kinds of shit to them they would probably choose not to do if they were given a choice. As someone noted, they are loyal and loving, so maybe they would choose to let us hump on them too? I dunno’ I’m not a dog or sheep but it just seems kinda silly to get bent out of shape over some goofballs fuckin’ a goat when we let people put them behind electric fences with no fuss. One minut they are animals the next minute they need to be treated with the same respect as people. Maybe I’m off base here, but then I ate my pet cow when I was a kid and never thought anything weird about it. His name was “Friend” btw. He was really cool, let me ride him and stuff (not like the way the OP implies), but he was property too and food.
I don’t think people should be humpin’ animals but then again theres a lot worse shit out there that people do all the time and the jails and courts are sure as hell crowded. Do we really need to worry about it? Anyhow, it’s not like sheepophiles are breeding?
Oh, and I especially don’t think women should be having sex with animals when I’m not getting any. I’ll droll on your neck and bark if you like that.
While reading this thread, for some reason I was reminded that there are people who cut holes in sun-warmed watermelons and then copulate with them. Is this evil, if the watermelon doesn’t consent?
I have to be deeply suspicious of any thread that cites the Stile Project. Sorry, Andros.
With male animals, it’ll be particularly obvious that they’re willing participants. You just can’t fake an erection or ejaculation I don’t see a problem with it. In fact, it’d be nice if more people would screw their pets (or vice-versa) – it isn’t very humane to keep these animals cooped up in an artificial environment and never let them have sex at all throughout their life just because their human keepers think the idea is “icky”. **
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The laws against bestiality have nothing to do with cruelty to animals and everything to do with society not wanting humans to fuck animals.
There is no law against wringing a chicken’s neck just to watch it dance around with it’s head dragging on the ground and that’s pretty cruel, if you ask me. The laws are in place to regulate human behavior, not to save the chickens.
To those who would wish to do more research on the subject without getting their hands (and other parts) dirty might wish to consult the tour de force known as Fun on the Farm. It is still (I am told) a fine seller among bestiality porn aficionados. In this film, you can see people having sex with:
Chickens (I am nearly certain that one chicken died in the making of the film)
Horses
Pigs
Dogs
Eels
Yes, slimy, disgusting eels. This film has left an indelible imprint on my psyche. I would point out that in a few cases, the consent of the animal is not in question at all–I cite the smiling male German Shepherd who delivers what might be the only recorded animal facial.
It’s pretty obvious what any animal is thinking after you become familiar with their body language…and animals are MUCH more clear about making it known that they’re getting pissed off than humans are. You simply do not play with a dog, horse, etc, without its consent, or it will HURT you. Likewise, if they’re interested, they’ll make it known by rubbing up against you, teasing, that sort of thing.
I don’t see a problem with it. In fact, it’d be nice if more people would screw their pets (or vice-versa) – it isn’t very humane to keep these animals cooped up in an artificial environment and never let them have sex at all throughout their life just because their human keepers think the idea is “icky”.
