When did we get last names?

Sorry to disappoint you but Guðmundur is indeed a man’s name. And while we’re at it. Icelandics don’t have surnames so Björk Guðmundsdóttir really says what it looks like: Björk, Guðmundur’s daughter. If she has a brother he would be called Guðmundssönn.

To sum it up: In Icelandic like in Swedish up until some 150 years ago have no family names (with some very rare exceptions). What they have is a name and a patronym. The only occasion when someone can have a matronym is when the father is totally unknown (I think, and, switching over to old Swedish, one of the few occasions when this would happen was when the mother was somewhat “easy”. In other words: what the Swedish feminist Åsa Britasdotter really is saying to people is “my mother is a village whore”).

In Ireland we didn’t have surnames until the 12th century I believe. Until then we used ‘Mac’ or ‘Mc’ meaning ‘son of’ or just ‘O’ meaning Grandson.

In Ireland we didn’t have surnames until the 12th century I believe. Until then we used ‘Mac’ or ‘Mc’ meaning ‘son of’ or just ‘O’ meaning Grandson.

BTW, nice link explaining the Iclandic structure…

Skraelings???

Yeah I know what you are talking about, and today they are called Inuit. There is quite a bit of Greenlandic Inuit blood in Iceland.

It depends on who you mean by “we”. Family names are a cultural institution, and different cultures vary widely as to when they adopted their use.

The Chinese began using family names during the reign of the Emperor Chin, who built the Great Wall of China, and from whose name the word “China” is derived. He commanded that families choose a word from a poem which was a favorite of his as their family name which, in Chinese practice, is the first name; hence one spoke of “Chairman Mao”, not “Chairman Tung”. The other words used to make up an individual name also were to come from this poem.

An interesting consequence of this is that all Han names (The Han being the principle ethnic group in China) has a literal meaning; Chairman Mao’s name meant “Hair Enriches the East”. Another consequence is that all family names are likewise personal names; for comparison, imagine if all English people had last names such as Sheldon or Bennett. And there are only about 200 last names in use, with the names giving very little suggestion as to where a family comes from originally, or to whom they might be related.

As noted earlier, the Turks did not adopt last names until the 1930s. This was part of Ataturk’s efforts to westernize the nation. Ataturk, incidentally, invented his own last name.

Jews from central Europe largely acquired their family names as a consequence of censuses taken in late Renaissance (to use a word I can never remember how to spell). Mark Twain discussed this in one of his essays about anti-Semitism, noting that a number of Jewsih families got stuck with monikers which seemed rude or unpleasant as the result of dealing with unsympathetic census officials.

Irish names generally refer to lineage traced back to the eleventh or twelfth century or thereabouts. People named O’Brien, for instance, claim descent from Brian Boru, the first king of a united Ireland. This is not much of a distinction considering the time that has elapsed; a geneologist hired by Ronald Reagan determined that he was related to the current queen of England because they could claim Brien as a common ancestor.

In some cultures people still get by without family names. In Iceland, for instance, a man’s last name is based on his father’s first name. Thus Lief Bjornson may have a son named Bjorn Liefson, who has a son named Lief Bjornson, who has a son named Bjorn Liefson…

The General Services Administration maintains a huge military records warehouse in Overland, Mo., a suburb of St. Louis.

As a college student in the summer of 1977 I worked on a project which involved reconstructing enlistment records which had been lost in a massive fire a few years before. To help pass the time, my fellow summer hires and I compiled a list of the most interesting and unusual names we encountered.

One entry was for “Catlubong (no other name)”. This person had been from the West Indies.

Later I learned by chance that natives of Haiti and some other islands only rate a family name if they are a legitimate birth. Otherwise, it falls to their mothers to come up with a one-of-a-kind name for their offsprings.

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Björn and Leif looks much better, although it’s not Icelendic, but Swedish. The Icelandic equivalent of Björn is Bjarni and I don’t think they use Leif, at least I haven’t been able to find anyone going by that name, but if they do it would be Bjarni Leifsson and Leif Bjarnarsson.
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Some nitpicks:

  1. “Indo-European” is a linguistic term denoting a family of languages, the set of speakers of which is not coterminous with any racial grouping. I know you know this already.

  2. The population of Iceland is not 100% Norse, having had a strong admixture of Irish imported between the 9th and 14th centuries. The extent to which these Irish contributed to the gene pool is a matter of dispute.

  3. It’s “Björk”. Okay, you probably know this too.

  4. It’s “Ericsson” or “Eriksson”. “Erics son”->“Ericsson” with 2 "s"s. I make the point because most people who have posted about Icelandic naming systems have got this wrong.

I think a reply to this remark would not be appropriate to GQ, except to suggest that if you did not intend to sound this hateful, you might want to retract it.

Well, in college, I knew a student from Indonesia who didn’t have a last name- just one name was all she had or used, including on applications and other legal forms.

Another friend was from Ethiopia, and while she had a last name, she told me that she had only adopted it to make her college applications in America simpler, by adding her father’s name to her own.

Have no idea if these are common practices in those countries, just two individual 18-year-olds.

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It is true that Swedish and Icelandic names generally end with -sson as opposed to Norwegian and Danish (and English) where -son is the most common suffix.
The name of the famous explorer, however, is normally written Leifur Eiríksson in Icelandic, and Leif Ericsson in English.
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floater: According to this list both Leif and Leifur are listed as Icelandic names. I do believe that Leifur is the more common one.
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Thanks, I had a feeling that it was so, but I forgot the actual ending so I had tried with Leifr, which is the original form IIRC.

NO!!! “Caesar” was a title, like “King Julius” or something.

Next time you critisice someone who claims to be a historian, you’d better check your facts. While it’s true that ‘Caesar’ later was used as a title, it was the generals given name. cite

[note to self] Use spelchequer [/note]
[note to self #2] And check facts twice [/note]
The praenomen (given name) of the famous general who later became the first emperor was Gaius (also written Caius, abbreviated C.).
His nomen (family name) was Julius.
His cognomen (~nickname) was Caesar, which originally meant ‘hairy’. This was later used as a title for subsequent emperors.

Not so in the case of the original guy (the one killed on 3/15/44BCE). That WAS a legal name. And Julius WAS a “family” name.

Gaius Julius Caesar: Gaius, of the Julians, known as Caesar.

Gaivs – Praenomen (forename): there was only a fixed number in each tribe. Given at birth.

Julius – Nomen or Genomen, name of your Gens, your “people” within the social structure of Rome. Our guy belonged to the Gens Julia, the Julian Folk. Inherited.

Caesar – Cognomen, “the name you are known by,” originally a reference to some trait or action that identified you or your branch of the family. Caesar’s was family-based, his father being also named Gaius Julius Caesar.

You could then add additional cognomina and agnomina to further define yourself.

cite:
http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~sfriedemann/names/sg-roman.htm

AFTERWARD it became a title – as if Mr. Bush had to hyphenate himself to “Bush-Washington”.

tc, if you’re going to nitpick my nitpicks, you might at least have the decency to disagree with me. I’m well aware of the Icelandic spelling; also the inscription on the statue in front of the cathedral in Reykjavík that says “Leifr Eiricsson”.

My point was that there should be two esses.

I couldn’t agree with you more. (I happen to have a double-ess name myself)
My post wasn’t meant so much a criticism as an attempt at clarification.

I’m pretty sure at least some surnames in Ireland go back futher than that - I’m thinking of examples such as Conor MacNessa, Finn MacCumhaill, Cormac MacArt…not sure how common they were, but it seems like there had to have been at least some folks with last names for them to have given them to the great heroes of legend that pre-date the 12th century by a good margin.