Some Democrats hate her ass, as well as President Clinton’s, despite his being re-elected after impeachment.
I think some women hate her for not divorcing after the Lewinsky affair. One of my friends, formerly a Clinton supporter, hated his guts after Lewinsky.
If you believe that I misspelled her name, it is because I am using the Ashkenazim spelling. :rolleyes:
I would like to have a woman President. Some Congresswoman pointed out that Congressmen are often lawyers, and testosterone poisoned, in court it is win or lose, no compromise, they take that to Congress, and women are better at reaching compromise, which is a weakness to Republicans.
Women supervisors that I have had generally want to explain what they feel that you did wrong, and help you do better. Some, of course, are just bitches. Male supervisors want a pissing contest, to prove that their penis is larger than mine.
I disagree. It will be eight more years of recriminations and gridlock and some things get done. The first 2 years of Obama’s Presidency was both the most productive Congress in post-War history and the one with the greatest minority party obstructionism during the same era.
Heh. You lack imagination, padawan.
The Saturday New York Times rocks: it’s where all the subradar dirt gets published. The Miller Center at the University of Virginia collects oral histories of all the Presidencies: they release the interviews many years later. 6000 pages have just been released, much of it not especially flattering to Lady MacBeth.
I trust Hillary is glad to get that out of the way now. But this will be fun for the oppo researchers: a lot of insiders were pretty dubious of her back then though all respected her energy, intelligence and at times presentation. Since then she has mellowed and labored in the Senate and State Department. She’s one of those people who are smart and wise enough to self-correct.
This. And FTR, I took the “Too hated” meme seriously in 2008. I was wrong. Obama is a rather clean cut guy and has conciliatory instincts. No matter. Any Democratic candidate will have to deal with such right wing swamp gas as birth certificate truthing, groundless witch hunts into land deals that lose money, blood libel and conspiracy theories that break apart with even the mildest scrutiny. Right wing nutcases and their breathless megaphones are now fixtures of American life.
IMHO Hillary is past her sell by date. I have an issue with anyone pushing 70 being up to the 24/7 demands of being President. And not just the physical aspects but the cultural as well. The median age of the US is 36.8 years and Hillary will be 69 when she takes office.
Put me in the camp of I’d vote for her if she has the nomination and Repubicans field someone from the standard list being bandied about.
China Guy: There’s something to be said for experience. And women have longer life expectancies: perhaps you should adjust their age downward by 4 years. (Perhaps: some medical commentary on that might be helpful.)
I think there’s some spinable material, though frankly I was using your post to motivate the report of the release of this material. I should like to know whether the data dump is complete or whether more will trickle out.
The NYT often has fairly sedate headlines. Here is one anecdote about Hillary’s management of health care reform (which to be fair is a rather well known botch). [INDENT]Ms. Shalala, who had been named secretary of health and human services, was one of the few who tried. “I told Hillary that this thing is just headed for disaster, and she told me I was just jealous that I wasn’t in charge and that was why I was complaining,” Mr. Edelman, who served as Ms. Shalala’s assistant secretary, remembered Ms. Shalala telling him.
Some of the White House economists were dubious and privately called Mrs. Clinton’s health care team “the Bolsheviks.” In return, according to Ms. Rivlin, the economists were “sometimes treated like the enemy.” Their suggested changes were ignored. “We could have beaten Ira alone,” said Mr. Blinder. “But we couldn’t beat Hillary.”
Indeed, the conflict left the president in a bind. “You can’t fire your wife,” Mr. Kantor observed. [/INDENT] Al Blinder is a co-author of a leading macroeconomics text: they were lucky to have him. Brad DeLong would later write that he thought Hillary should be kept away as far from the Oval Office as possible. But that was years ago, before Hillary amassed the wide and deep level of Washington experience that she has now.
That was twenty years ago, and everybody around then is fully aware that Hillary was the one that fucked it up. I’m mildly curious as to how anyone who now opposes Obamacare is supposed to decide to vote against her because she screwed up an attempt at it two decades ago.
I don’t see how this disagrees with my post. This is not a new criticism.
Sure: and I said it was a well known botch. I’m saying oppo researchers can have a field day with unflattering insider assessments. “See? Even this guy says Hillary is X, Y or Z.” The criticisms are old, but the language is new, sometimes colorful, and coming from a nontypical direction. I don’t want to make too much of it though. Just that there will be hysteric attacks that get airplay.
I think I stepped on my point. FWIW, I actually agree with Frank that attacks on Hillary, however shrill, will have difficulty gaining traction. This will be a challenge for oppo researchers. But my instincts tell me that some of them will receive at least a little airplay, because electronic journalists need something to do.
