When is making a remake justified?

I think this is going to be a very YMMV post, so I will start with the disclaimer: by “justified”, I mean one’s subjective opinion. It’s a free country and anyone can make a remake if they want; I’m merely looking for people’s non-binding personal opinions based on their tastes, I.E., when does it make sense to re-make a movie?.

With that out of the way, there have been a lot of discussions about various remakes, how they’re badly done, redundant, skew or miss the point of the original, add something unpopular to the original story whatever. OK, so when, then, is a remake a good thing?

My first thoughts on this matter would be that there are remakes which are not remakes. That is, they are actually filmings of stories that come from other previous source material, mainly literature. So for example, you’ll have a classic story like “Pride and Prejudice”. Logically, different generations will want to give their own interpretation of these, and so we have many filmed versions of “Pride and Prejudice” or “The Three Musketeers”. People will have their own opinions of which version is better, but the different versions are not nominally related to each other. For one good example of a “remake that is not a remake”, I will mention a favorite of mine, “True Grit”. This was originally a novel written by Charles Portis, published in 1968. In 1969, it was made into a Western film starring John Wayne, Kim Darby, and Glenn Campbell and directed by Henry Hathaway. I saw it on TV, and liked it for what it was. Then in 2010, the Coen Brothers made a new version of “True Grit” starring Jeff Bridges, Hailee Steinfeld, and Matt Damon. This was not a remake of the previous one, but went back to the source material and was in fact truer to the novel than the 1969 one, which was a typical John Wayne film. I liked the 2010 version for what it was as well, and it was in many ways different from the 1969 version.

Also, in general, I think it makes sense to remake a film where you can improve on the technology, acting, etc. as opposed to the earlier version. This is a no-brainer, but there are various films that are remakes of silent films. Or for example, films from the 1930s may have a theatrical acting style that may not sit well with modern audiences; re-making them in color, with modern technology and with a more natural acting style would make perfect sense to me.

My final thought is that a film might be worth re-making if you can add some real improvement to the story or cinematography as opposed to the original. This applies especially if the original was very good to begin with. Here are two examples of two very good films that were re-made and I consider the remakes redundant:

  1. “The Beguiled”. This is a favorite of mine, a 1971 Clint Eastwood movie. Set during the American Civil War, it starts when a wounded Union soldier on Confederate territory is found by a girl attending a ladies’ seminary (a small boarding school for girls), and is taken in by Martha Farnsworth, the proprietor / principal. So now the soldier is both their patient and their prisoner. The story examines the interesting situation where a handsome wounded soldier finds himself surrounded by nothing but girls and women (students and teachers, and one slave woman) of various ages, and some of them start vying for his affections, until it goes quite wrong. In 2017, Sofia Coppola remade the story (which, like “True Grit”, was also based on a novel, published in 1966), with Colin Farrell as the soldier and Nicole Kidman as Miss Farnsworth. Were it a stand-alone film I would say it was a good movie. However, given that it re-makes the story, I feel it to be completely redundant given the previous movie. IMO it adds nothing to the story but rather subtracts from it. Basically, Coppola wanted to give the story a “feminist perspective”, and I think she royally failed in this goal. She claimed to want to show the story “more from the women’s perspective”, but I think all she did was give the soldier less airtime. Furthermore, I think the original movie showed the women’s perspective very well, that’s probably one reason why I liked it. One thing that Coppola did was to remove the character of the slave woman. She did this on the pretext that she didn’t want modern girls to have the example of such a character, but I think that this was completely unnecessary as the way she was portrayed in the original did not in any way attempt to justify or mitigate slavery, was period-appropriate, and in fact impoverished the story. Specifically, there’s a scene in the original where Miss Farnsworth orders the slave woman to shave the soldier, because she’s tired of looking at his whiskers. When she goes to do this, she tells the soldier that she thinks it’s not God’s will for men to be bare-faced, but that she takes her orders from Miss Farnsworth, not from God. This I think shows very well the condition of a slave, far from “tolerating” or “justifying” the institution, and removing it from the story weakens the film.

  2. “Papillon” is a classic 1973 prison film (based on a not completely factual autobiography) starring Steve McQueen and Dustin Hoffman. This was remade in 2017, with a Charlie Hunnam reprising McQueen’s role and a Rami Malek reprising Hoffman’s. This remake was certainly not all bad. The cinematography was very good, and it added some interesting scenes (e.g. what led to the main character’s conviction, his fantasies about back home when in the penal colony, his eventual publication of his book), and other scenes were in many cases reminiscent of the original. However, the two main characters were played by actors that just couldn’t come close to the the original ones. In particular Hunnam, who was reprising a role by, of all people, the King of Cool. Sorry, but there was a pretty evident gulf there.

One remake on which I’m neutral is the 2020 “Rebecca” movie. It was not bad on the whole (and not the first remake). One would compare it to the black and white 1940 Hitchcock version. I haven’t seen the latter in a while, but I would say each was a good telling on the story in its own way.

I agree that this is usually the best-case scenario for re-making a movie. Particularly for science fiction movies, in which good effects can make all the difference.

But even there, there can be problems. Look at the Tom Cruise version of War of the Worlds, for example. Technically a far better movie, but the story changes were largely non-sensical.

And this as well. A good example of such a re-make is Battlestar Galactica. The original is still fun, but it definitely has a mid-70s vibe to it, and was made to be kid-friendly. The re-make took a much more serious tone, and dealt with some of the real issues that would happen in the event of such a near-genocidal attack by an implacable foe. Head and shoulders above the original.

When few people in the present generation have seen it, or if they have seen it, it was on TV as cheap filler disguised as “classic movies”.

There are some movies I saw in black and white that I really have no interest in ever watching again. The production may have been good for the time, but it fails in comparison to modern media.

I’ve tried to think of specific names, but when I try to google them, I find that I am not even close to remembering them correctly.

So, IMO, when most people aren’t even aware of the original source material is the best time to make a remake.

I think the main justifications for a remake are any combination of the following:

  1. The original was released in a foreign market that might not readily be accessible to American audiences. (The Departed, Vanilla Sky)

  2. The original films is relatively obscure, unknown, or unsuccessful (Oceans Eleven, The Crazies, Dune)

  3. You can remake the story in a way that significantly improves on the original or approaches it in a different way (The Thing (1984), True Grit)

Times not to do a remake:

  1. The original is a classic or even a cult classic (Robocop, Total Recall, The Thing( 2011) )

  2. The remake doesn’t bring anything new besides the name (Bewitched, Point Break)

  3. The original was largely a product of the era when it was made

  4. The remake removes everything that made the original unique or interesting (I Am Legend)

The economics of Hollywood being what it is, it seems to me that it’s far more likely that a good film that doesn’t need a remake will get one in order to attract audiences instead of a crappy or obscure one being redone better.

I subscribe to the belief that if the original movie botched and adaptation, it’s fair game for a remake. The Bonfire of the Vanities is one of my favorite books, but De Palma (and I say this as a big fan) totally bungled the big screen version. I have no idea what the market is for an evocation of mid-80s New York politics, so I have no idea if it would find an audience now, but I’d still love to see it done right.

I’m not sure I wholly buy into that. One of my favorite examples is Ocean’s Eleven. The original 1960 film and the 2001 remake are both very much products of their own time, and in large part produced as vehicles for groups of A-list movie stars. But as I recall, the plan in the original was simply to carry out what amounted to a smash-and-grab robbery. The remake went all high-tech, action adventure with an intricate plot. Each is good if judged by the standards by which it was made, but I do think the remake showed very nicely how the material could benefit from an update forty years later.

ETA: Although if someone wants to say the remake is so drastically different that it’s actually a new movie, I’m not sure I’d have a comeback.

I see it as not unlike asking when it’s okay to do a cover of a song.

Neither cover nor remake need be better than the original, but they should in some way be original themselves.

How about it’s justified when the person doing the remake is a brilliant visionary with more skill than the original creator? To wit: the remake of *West Side Story."

It is dazzling in every possible way. I’ve seen the original movie several times and listened to the original cast recording hundreds of times in my teen years. The music and orchestration in the new version are identical to the original-- not one note of Bernstein’s score or one word of Sondheim’s libretto has been changed.

But in the Spielberg version, the singers are better, the staging, the acting, the setting, the dances, the costumes-- EVERYTHING else has been improved to a degree I wouldn’t have thought possible. Even the plot has been shifted a bit to where things make sense that didn’t in the original movie.

This remake is better than the first one.

I haven’t seen the Papillon remake, but that’s one that could have worked. Have it remade by the actual French and hew closer to the novel.

Good reasons for a remake? When the original didn’t hit the mark. Like Pet Semetary. Though history has been kinder to the original. But if you’re going to remake a film…do it right FFS.

Forbidden Planet, despite being a banger classic, could do with a remake. Maybe as a mini-series. Same with Quatermass and the Pit.

Having said that, there are tons of properties that have never been adapted or wern’t bangers like The Martian Chronicles…which was okay, but could definitely be improved upon.

Funny you bring up Spielberg, cause when I was pitching Forbidden Planet or Quatermass and the Pit…I definitely didn’t want Spielberg based on my not particularly liking his War of the Worlds.

I think a remake is justified when it’s unlikely the current generation will have seen the original. Apparently they’re remaking Rear Window, which is appalling to some because it’s such a classic. Who needs to remake it? Rear Window came out in 1954. By the time a remake wraps up production and is released, more than 70 years will have passed since the movie’s original release. There are a lot of people who have never seen the original and have no interest in watching a 70 year old movie. It make sense to remake it even if I doubt it’ll be as successful.

I think one reason is to remove offensive moments that distract from the narrative of an otherwise good film. I wouldn’t mind seeing Breakfast at Tiffany’s without the yellowface.

I’ve never seen The Beguiled but Coppola’s remake is both consistent with the grounds I laid out for what could be a good remake and, at the same time, a remake that we might both agree wasn’t worthwhile. So just because a movie fits my criteria, remaking might still be a bad idea. The remake still has to be a good one.

Some movies might be challenging to remake in this way. I still have a certain fondness for Gone with the Wind but the racism is woven into its core and I don’t see how you can remake that movie while adequately addressing the horrors of slavery that effectively drove all of the film.

Yeah but remember what happened with Psycho.

One reason a shot for shot remake didn’t make sense was that murdering your star in the shower halfway through the movie may have seemed shocking in 1960 but these days it seems quaint (not to mention parodied ad nauseum).

OTOH, King Kong was a classic, but they made that in 1933. They did a crappy remake in the 70s but there really wasn’t any reason for Jackson to do a legit remake as a period-piece with modern special effects.

Do we include “requels” as well? Sequels that are really remakes but still tap into the canon and chronology of the original? Some examples of ones that were well done IMHO include the new Jumanji films and 21 Jump Street.

In the case of The Beguiled, I think removing Hallie is more offensive because it whitewashes the Confederacy.

I was rather surprised when Brad Pitt was was killed abruptly in Burn Before Reading and Julianne Moore in Children of Men.

Any time, for any reason, or no reason at all. Want to remake Citizen Kane but as a buddy comedy? Feel free. Want to redo Jaws shot-for-shot, but with a techno soundtrack? Be my guest. Is your name Uwe Boll and you want to remake Yojimbo as a cynical cash grab? Any time.

A lame (excuse the expression) remake of Rear Window was done with Christopher Reeve (of blessed memory) in 1998. Best forgotten IMHO.

From the IMDB:

A recently paralyzed architect, Jason Kemp, believes he has witnessed a murder from his apartment window. Jason’s colleague, Claudia, quickly becomes his partner in trying to solve the mysterious puzzle that lies in the apartment across the way. The more-than-patient detective, Moore, grudgingly responds to their repeated calls and accusations, but believes Jason’s imagination is getting the best of him. Determined to uncover the truth, Jason continues to dig deeper - eventually finding himself locked in a deadly game of cat and mouse.

I think a case can be made for remaking anything as long as it has something creatively different to offer. The artistic intent of a shot for shot remake eludes me. I feel the same way about cover songs. My only requirement is that the new artist puts their own style on it and doesn’t just try to replicate the original.

You folks are all so innocent.

The correct answer to the question is: “When there’s money in it.”

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The Maltese Falcon was the third version of Dashiell Hammet’s novel to be filmed.