Up the ass without lube. Grab your ankles and squeal like a pig! (Not that you need telling.)
That’s enough Bill McKinney.
I find that very difficult to believe. Britain was just about broke in 1979. We’d had to go cap in hand to the IMF.
OMG YES!!!
Why is it that rich people seem to think that poor or even middle class people can take advantage of mental hoisptials or private services? Yes, most MI people can function pretty well in society, but there are quite a few who cannot, and they NEED a mental hospital.
No-one here seems to ever acknowledge the role that the '70’s oil price hikes had on the world economy.
Why were unions demanding pay rises, becauseinflation had gone up, why had his happend, because the cost of oil rose bty 15 fold in a decade.
You can blame any British politician you like, bu they had no way of controlling oil prices.
Its about oil, plain and simple. People tend to forget that other countries had serious problems, our export markets in the US dried up because of inflation, due to the oil price rises, France and Italy had plenty of problems, but you’ll note they still have car industries - and these were state subsidised every bit as much as BL.
Its almost perverse how folk refuse to take in the enormity of oil prices rises.
In what way can you twist logic in order that you beg to differ? The islands were inhabited by British before they were inhabited by Spanish, and they’ve been under the control of the British for over 170 years. The Falklands War settled the deal: in this respect, might really does make right. They’re British, and the inhabitants want them to remain so. The French (as initial settlers) have more of a claim than the Argentinians, who have only retained control of the islands for four years of the 245 years that they’ve been inhabited.
There was no debate over whether the Falklands should have been ceded to a fascist junta. Anything other than stonewalling another idiotic UN call for “discussion” by the Thatcher government would have been a failure of monumental proportions.
Everybody acknowledges it. Unfortunately, for you, inflation in the UK hit a peak of 24% during the 1970’s, whereas American inflation hit a peak of 11%, less than half the peak British rate, and annualised American rates for the period 1970–1980 were 7.81, compared to 13.69 in Britain. Oil prices, indeed.
Ah right - the fact that I wasn’t around (at least for very long) pre-thatcher means I can’t possibly have a worthwhile opinion of anything that happened during her time in power. Next time you’re passing your local University, remember to pop your head round the door of the history department and tell them that they’re all wasting their time and might as well fuck off home. “You ungrateful bastards! You’ve got no idea what life was like pre-Norman Invasion!”
Look - even if I were to accept that what happened to British industry under Thatcher was unavoidable, the cull was performed with the minimum of consideration for the people being affected. Entire communities were simply dumped on the scrapheap with no attempt made to soften the blow, but these were all Labour constituencies who would never vote Tory anyway so no harm done.
I have no love for the SNP, but I think if we saw another Thatcherite Tory government in Westminster it would be the final nail in the coffin of the Union.
I only read the first page, but just about everybody was defending Snow from one Suspect’s attack. Even other Suspects were.
The Milk Snatcher of my tender years? I’ll shed no tear - I’ll credit her for getting me interested in politics from an early age though.
They’ve a better claim to them than they have to the Shetland Isles.
Ah poor Margarette we will feel for you.
For you will see no green green grass from far below.
The ground will be sterile from your black black soul.
Your grave will not let grass, tree or flower grow.
People will walk their dogs to void on you.
They will salt the earth where you bones do lie.
They can’t afford to care for you.
So hurry Margarette and Die Die Die.
Speaking of the Shetlands, we here in Troll Country would like to have a word with you and Denmark about that situation. Particularly Denmark. :mad:
If you think that thread is the only example of assholes being assholes when a Republican dies, you should have chosen the red pill.
Regards,
Shodan
The harm was vastly exacerbated by the actions and attitudes of the unions. For example, after the miners’ strike many more pits were closed than had been originally planned due to flooding and other damage. Scargill refused to allow the closure of almost any pit. For another example, take a look at Fleet Street. The unions there refused changes so people set up elsewhere. First Eddie Shah, then others. Unions resisted change at every step. Continual strikes made shipyards and ports uneconomic. And the union leaders weren’t doing it for the members; they were doing it for political purposes like Scargill or for their own self-interest.
How many here remember the currency controls? You had to apply for permission to take money out of the country, which put a crimp on holidays. Not that many could afford holidays abroad in those days. Thatcher got rid of them, freeing up the British marketplace.
Britain is a better place because of Thatcher.
It was your example. Got a better one?
The only problem with considering the oil price hikes is that it doesn’t take into account over 20 years of decline in the British economy previous to OPEC.
Check this cite
Ignoring his mother’s admonitions, little Shodan crossed his eyes until they became stuck that way.
Flying Dutchman
Your cite does mention the unions, however it also mentions several other causes, our short termist culture of relatively high returns on low value assets and investments is one.
Our use of labour instead of the use of technology is another, unions tend to react to pressure, they do not tend to set policy, nationally or financial.
The post war model of German industrialisation was actually based on an idealised model of what should have been done in the UK, it was a British study that advocated single union agreements in workplaces, it was the same study that recommended workers being part of the boardroom.
Once you add in a rebuild from the ground up based upon new working and investment practices, and then look at all the hangovers from over a century of industrial revoolution, you can easily see the structural advantages that Germany and Japan had, however, these aside, it does not explain why France and Italy had the same problems, did not privatise like Thatcher did and yet they still ended up with dynamic economies.
Thatcher blamed the unions, which is far too simplistic, there was a mixture of causes, but chief among them was the management, which in the UK was dire.
You can look at any of the major industries in the UK, and see the same old failures of investment and failures of forward looking, in industry after industry, from bikes, cars, steel etc.
It was the fact that money went abroad, left these shores and was invested in Japan, Germany. We became a relatively labour intensive industrial economy, instead of using one machine to do the work of 50 workers, we went the other way. Naturally when labour became more expensive, costs rose disproportionally.
Just as Thatcher did not rescue Britain, the unions did not sink it. Oil rescued Britain, why is it that folk refuse to the the blindingly obvious, why will they refuse to acknowledge the benefits of North sea oil revenue? It’s the elephant in the room, it truly is.
Thatcher did bring the unions to some sort of control, only a fool would argue otherwise, but this was never the whole answer, it was only a small part, and had management been of a higher standard in the UK, one could make a good case for saying that many of these issues would have been moderated.
The unions were used as a bogeyman, the real problem lay in finance, in investment, in management, but these are rarelly mentioned in the decline of the UK. Bogeymen maes for good headlines, boring company balance sheets do not, nor do strategies, innovation.
If I think what now? Where the fuck did you get that? How’s about this? If you want to make a point by linking to a thread, why don’t you make sure it actually supports your point, rather than inventing positions that no one has taken?
Here’s a starter clue for ya. I don’t see assholes being assholes in that thread, unless you think defending Snow against Dio’s comments is assholish. Do you?