Gee, I dunno. Maybe we should have him put $1,000 in escrow for a year to make certain!
Thank you, Jonathan Chance, and mods.
I think you have rather missed the point.
At this point, I’m satisfied with the response from tom concerning the first issue. I don’t have any trust issues with him.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Um, what? He did not report you through the report system.
Read that three times.
The claim was that he did not want to send it through the Report system because he did not want it “intercepted,” whatever that means. My point was that using the Report system would have been more effective, since it produces an unalterable audit trail visible to more people on the staff.
He was afraid you would intercept the message and do mod things to it, which I can empathize with.
That’s ridiculous. It’s sent electronically to the group. It’s not a piece of paper he can alter.
And I’m supposed to know that, how? I’m not a moderator, I don’t know how the moderator system works.
For all I knew, one moderator can mark an issue as resolved, and the other mods don’t even bother to look at it. Maybe that isn’t how it works, but how would I know? Sending directly to JC avoided that possibility.
I’m a paid-up Member. How many posts per year am I allowed to edit after the five-minute limit? What if I pay double the usual annual fee? It seems to me this could be a profit-making opportunity for SDMB.
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And does an accusation of “willful ignorance” meet the standard of accusation of lying? Should I have been Warned for this GD post 5 years ago?
Or does the separation of the cringe-worthy ignorance from any explicit antecedent save the septimoo from a Warning?
So…what’s the official ruling on this?
Is it ok to call people liars as long as you use Tomndebb’s weasel-worded phrasing?
Personaly, I vote we get rid of the stupid “no calling people liars” rule, but if not, and the stupid rule stays in place can it apply to everyone, even if that person is Tomndebb?
Will the system even allow you to send a formal Warning to a mod? Or is a Mod Note the best you can do?
That said, I’ve seen other posters get off with just a note if they realize they posted in the wrong forum before the mod gets to it. It’s happened to me.
I don’t know why such a restriction exists in the first place. What good does it serve? But if TPTB really need to warn a mod they can temporarily remove his mod status, issue the Warning, then reinstate him.
I’d guess it’s just a configuration issue, anyway. Something that an administrator could change in an instant.
I don’t think the issue is the phrasing. The issue is that, when you or I say something is done deliberately, it is meant as an accusation of lying. When tomndebb does, it isn’t.
tomndebb knows what he means better than you do. He also knows what you mean better than you do.
Regards,
Shodan
All the mod warning stuff aside, any chance a mod could weigh in on whether Tom’s circumlocutions to weasel around the “no liars” rule are now permitted for mere posters or not.
Seconded. With the caveat that we understand the mods are loath to say something is OK regardless of the context. At minimum, I’d like to understand if tom’s use is OK, and if it is, what is it about the context that makes it OK. If not, what is about the context that makes in not OK.
This.
And this is a microcosm of why this world is as screwed up as it is.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and when the sheeple shrug their shoulders because they know it won’t matter, things just take another step back.
And Peter Morris has a point. How on earth you can read tomndebb’s post and say he’s not accusing the poster of lying?. If this stands, I suggest everyone make a note of the phrasing and use it liberally. It is a precedent. Unless of course, it’s not. Which means there is a different standard for a mod when they are posting as a regular poster.
But we already knew that.
Give it a fucking break.
Why?
It’s a valid question.
This could have been handled easily. Tomndebb should have received 2 warnings, (not one mod note) for his behavior. If he was “acting like a regular poster”, then he should be modded as a regular poster. He wouldn’t lose his posting privileges. But he’d be dinged like the rest of us.
If mods are treated as “above the teeming millions”, then fine. State that. Stop the pretense that mods must follow the same rules as the rest of us.
You can’t piss down our backs and tell us it’s raining.