When should Republicans start setting themselves up as the anti-Trump

Then it’s another amendment I’m thinking of. I’ll try to find it. But even if I’m misremembering the fact remains that the States can (theoretically) overcome Congress’ reluctance through Article V.

Which is why I said it would be almost impossible. I can’t think of anything short of an actual civil war that would provide the impetus to fix the US.

Some people say that think that the Republicans will pull back before it goes too far, that there is a line they won’t cross. Absolute bullshit.

The point at which Republicans will start calling themselves anti-Trump is the point at which Trump/MAGA approval becomes so low that Fox News loses more viewers by supporting Trump than it gains. At that point the three way positive feed back loop between Right wing viewers/voters, Fox News, and Republican politicians will shift into reverse and support for Trumpism fall like a rock. Its the same point at which Nixon realized he was done, and people realized at long last that Joe McCarthy did indeed have no sense of decency.

After Jan 6th it looked for a second as though that tipping point might have been reached, with Fox News and Politicians distancing themselves from Trump. But then when the polls came out that showed that the majority of the right wing still supported him, and believed his lies, the positive feedback loop kicked back into gear and made it as if Jan 6th never happened.

I don’t know whether the path to this tipping will just be a gradual disaffection with Trumpism after multiple election losses, and boredom with his constant whining, or if it will be a sudden event such as a massive right wing terrorist attack, or if we will ever get there. But once the tipping point is reached I predict it will be spectacular how quickly it goes from “Trump is god!” to “Trump who?”

Could be a handy scapegoat for a while, too.

At that point, we’ll be reminded that, for most of his life, Trump was a Democrat. Did you know that Lincoln, who freed the slaves, was a Republican?

I agree with this, but more to the point, many state Republican chairpersons have become MAGA indoctrinated, and more traditional Republican candidates can’t get support to be on the local ballots for state offices unless they have been vetted for MAGA correctness, so even the state party officials end up being looney MAGA party loyalists. This is true even in blue states.

I guess I should also suggest the fade away possibility. That Trump dies or becomes so feeble that he can’t keep the media on him. MAGA successors just can’t keep of the interest, demogrpahics change, and issues change, and gradually racism and bigotry just don’t get the voters out, so there is no reckoning and MAGA just fades away. Then around 2060, 2020’s nostalgia starts being cool and people look back from their undersea VR-pods and wonder what the hell were people thinking back then.

The problem is, in a Civil War, the pro-democracy side must win, and win so overwhelmingly that they can impose a newly amended Constitution on the losing side.

Winning isn’t guaranteed, and winning that decisively is even less so. Hence, still pretty impossible, even when the shooting starts.

There are still conservatives that support what McCarthy did.

Is it that they still support McCarthy, or is there is renewed revisionist support as a reaction against all things liberal? Honest question.

That McCarthy’s claims were true and he should have gone even farther to root out the commies in the government.

Hell, there’s still conservatives that revile FDR for giving us Social Security.

Nikki Haley made an effort to go the anti-Trump route but look where she is now? Telling us she intends to vote for him.

Are you referring to the Haley that has announced she’ll vote for Trump?