When will HBO's Game of Thrones catch up with the books?

No book spoilers, please.

The show producers plan to do seven seasons total, which means only two more seasons after the one that’s about to start in a few weeks. It also means the show will pass the books – the producers got a rough outline of the endgame from Martin – unless the book that might be released later this year is the last one.

For the book readers, your best guess: When will the show catch up to the books, do you think? This season? Next season? Or has it already?

I know nothing of the books. I’m not overly concerned about vague or general spoilers, but ideally try to stick to what’s aired on the show.

Is there a cite for this? Given that the third book was already split into two seasons, and the later books aren’t any smaller, I don’t see how they could wrap up in seven seasons :confused:. They would have to deviate from the books far more and start wrapping up with this season itself.

They first said it during press for last season:

‘Game of Thrones’ team: 7 seasons is the plan

Then this week there was another article talking about how the producers still want to end after 7 but HBO would prefer more: HBO talks Game of Thrones future: More than 7 seasons wanted

Well… there are more than seven gods and seven kingdoms in the story world…

According to Cracked.com, they probably already have - because the next season is being written before the current season has even aired, and the books end somewhere around the tail end of next season.
Which means that when they start airing season 5 over this summer, they’ll also be writing/shooting stuff Georgie hasn’t written yet at the same time.

Ouch; that cracked article appears to be written for show fans but then they dropped what appears to be a pretty significant book spoiler in the middle of it:

Let’s be honest – you want to see whether Jon Snow marries DaenerysWait, what? Seriously? Is that pulled out of thin air, or is that relationship in the books?

The “safe” non-spoilery part of the article ends just past the picture of Robocop. You can read the next paragraph after the robocop picture, then the “no publication plans” image, but then stop. Right after that they start detonating what appear to be spoiler bombs.

That isn’t in the books (yet). Its just fan speculation.

Oh, okay, then nevermind my warning. In for a penny in for a pound, after reading that I read the rest of the article. Nothing else spoilery in it.

I don’t read the books, only watch the shows and avoid book spoilers too but my understanding is that the stated reason Bran and Hodor don’t show up this season is their story-line on the show has already caught up with the books.

It hasn’t… although it ALMOST has. There is some stuff in the most recent book about Bran that has not yet been shown, just not very much stuff, and possibly not very significant stuff.

I’d go further and call it either “shipping” or “wishful thinking”. So far the show has taken four seasons to get a little more than three books in (some story lines are a little ahead), which doesn’t bode well for finishing in 7 seasons. On the other hand books 4 and 5 sorta overlap and feature different characters so they are more like one really big book. They are also far “wordier” than the earlier books so there aren’t as many plot points to cover for each character. I could easily see them fit both books into one season, with maybe some spilling over into season 6. Which leaves slightly less than two seasons to deal with the last two books. While that Cracked article is correct in stating that they probably already started writing season 6 they completely ignore the fact that while book 6 is not DONE it has been in writing for several years already, and while GRRM has no input on how the show is written he also has no reason to keep things from them so it is very unlikely the show runners are simply winging it and making stuff up.

I thought that scene where the White Walker guy turned the baby into one of them was already ahead of the books. Essentially, it was a spoiler for book readers, which must be a nice “turnabout is fairplay” for those who have only seen the show.

I’ve neither read the books or seen the show, but I have seen it online somewhere that the actor who plays Bran is getting too big for the actor who plays Hodor to carry around.

Good point, this.

But would GRRM agree to spoiling the book ending in the TV series? Mayhaps the ending will broadly resemble the book, but the details will all be different? Even that seems too spoilery too me.

It’s gonna be interesting to see how they will take the show forward. :slight_smile:

Maybe it doesn’t have to be a case where the show has to follow the books or vice versa. Maybe they can be their own works and be enjoyed separately. I’ve seen all the seasons but have read only the first book (after seeing the show). And while it’s interesting to get a little more detail from the written version, the TV version is still immensely good and enjoyable. So perhaps they could deviate wildly from each other but still be good and enjoyed on their own individual terms.

Been that way for a couple of seasons now, that’s why they got the wheelbarrow.

I sure hope so.

GRRM says the books and series are going to diverge and readers will have to “keep on their toes.”. What’s actually going to happen is the tv series will have an ending, while he’s never going to finish the books. We’re closing in on 20 years since he published the first one.

Because they paid him a lot of money.

Martin gave HBO the outline of the entire story, including his plans for the novels he hasn’t written yet, as part of the original contract. So the series will still be following Martin’s story even if it gets ahead of the books.

That said, Martin will be adding in details and making changes as he writes the books and these will differ from what the series as shown. But this has been happening so far with the show’s writers making changes to what’s been in Martin’s books. It’s just that at some point the story in the series will be ahead of the story in the books.

I knew he told them, but I didn’t know it was part of his original contract. Where did you read that?