If Trump loses he will start the TRUMP 2024 campaign on Jan 1st, 2021 - if not sooner.
He’ll do rallies every week. FOX and/or OAN will give him a show. And he very well may win in 2024.
Frankly, I don’t know what Trump would do without a campaign to run. He NEEDS to scam people out of their money, it’s his oxygen. Plus his campaign has been filling the Trump Org coffers. And, most importantly, HIS CAMPAIGN PAYS ALL HIS LEGAL BILLS.
I’m pretty sure that even if he wins, he’ll start a Trump 2024 campaign. Even if it’s not legal. I can’t see any other path.
Good point. I was thinking that Republicans imagine themselves to be the keepers of the true faith although they betray it with their deeds. Yes, the Dear Leader is every bit the kleptocrat that Putin and Kim are.
I think the states would only go so far in supporting something like that, especially if the Federal government makes more authoritarian type moves that would rob the states of their autonomy. They may have GOP legislatures and governors, but don’t think that means they’re going to give up their autonomy to the Feds anytime soon, Trump at the helm or not.
The good news, I guess, is that Trump’s already 75 and doesn’t look, act or sound like the vegetarian, frequently exercising picture of health, so I’d guess we might have another 5 years of him at the absolute most.
In my circles, and it can’t be very different in the hard red states, there is no need to watch FOX News fervently. Christian organizations, or right wing operatives posing as “Christian Organizations” put out the bullet points on a routine basis and the content is NEVER fact checked—just accepted as gospel truth. (NOTE: If the following is true of a middle aged woman who knows how to fact check without using social media – how much more will it be true of Gen X?)
I was recently working with a middle-aged woman and we had to use her phone for all communication so when she was in the restroom I would have to check incoming messages to see if they were work related. The amount of false [I was going to say or misleading, but it was always entirely bullshit] information was astounding. There were about twenty messages a day that were as deep as a bumper sticker and more absurd than any comic book in history. She finally asked me to wait until she returned from the restroom because now she was confused. I couldn’t help saying that some of the information was incorrect and she assured me it was not because: “It is from good Christian people who care very deeply about this country”. When I was able to show specific examples of false information she was “confused”. It boiled down to not wanting her preconceived notions challenged.
The content was far right-wing hyperbole that was perfectly similar to things from the likes of FOX personalities and Rush Limbaugh. It also was phrased as a scare tactic: “Are you going to allow Socialist Joe Biden to raise taxes 300% and ruin our great country?” for example.
Sounds right to me, except that if DJT loses despite the power of incumbency, even his base will have to wonder whether it is time for the next generation – of Trumps.
Could Ivanka do a convincing imitation of cross-over appeal?
P.S. I also don’t think DJT would even partly concede before the January 6, 2021 official electoral vote count presided over by Mike Pence – unless Pence defies Donald by conceding first. Do you think Pence will?
I don’t see this happening. If he wins, God forbid, he will definitely keep tweeting and fuming. If he loses, maybe at first, but if he is decisively defeated and Biden moves into the WH, I don’t see trump operating as president-in-exile. Too humiliating. Besides, without gummint money to use, he’d have to use his own (which, frankly, I don’t think he has all that much of). He’s no Bill Gates or Michael Bloomberg to put his personal money where his mouth is.
The key word here is “behind.” He doesn’t like being second banana or working from the shadows.
Exactly. He’s more likely to get on his Huffy bike and ride out of town (to quote Jack McFarland).
I get what you’re saying and maybe he will do this for a while. But his massive ego will not permit him to function from a one-down position. He creates chaos and dominates, but only when he’s on top.
The question is where Trump goes. He’s not Mott Rimney or Mon JacCain; he won the presidency. His hubris is such that I could see him forming a third party if the GOP doesn’t continue licking his boots, and he would certainly draw some voters from the traditional GOP (and to a lesser extent the Democratic Party). Ultimately, he might even have a long-term beneficial effect on US politics, creating a safe space for racist voters and letting the GOP get back to its more sensible days.
His context was the Republicans nominating Bill Barr, who really does dream of a theocratic state.
Barr dreams of a government that allows a pharmacist to refuse to fill a prescription for birth control pills if it violates his religious beliefs. I wonder whether he would require a doctor to treat a Black if he found a passage in the bible that suggested races shouldn’t mix.
I sort of wonder what information is in that ‘super secret server’. I suspect it may have some damning evidence about Trump extorting Ukraine. On the other hand, we may find it bleached. With a real bottle of bleach.
I think it depends on the results of the election. If Trump loses but his base shows signs of being salvageable for other Republicans, I think the party line will be that Trump’s presidency was wrecked by Covid19, which was a completely uncontrollable natural disaster than no President could have overcome. If Trump loses really badly and his base stops voting and Trump is facing criminal charges, I think the party line will be “Trump was an aberration. We never really like him and he was practically a Democrat. The rest of us are all sane principled politicians.” And if Trump loses so badly that it splashes over on to the rest of the party, I guess the Republicans will go to wherever the Whigs are.
The question is where Trump goes. He’s not Mott Rimney or Mon JacCain; he won the presidency. His hubris is such that I could see him forming a third party if the GOP doesn’t continue licking his boots, and he would certainly draw some voters from the traditional GOP (and to a lesser extent the Democratic Party). Ultimately, he might even have a long-term beneficial effect on US politics, creating a safe space for racist voters and letting the GOP get back to its more sensible days.<
A very interesting thought. But will Our Donald still be alive in 2024? Or compos mentis? From what I have seen, I would not bet on either.
My guess is that he will lose narrowly and spent the next few months tweeting furiously, in between court appearances.
But the Mango One might well coil off his mortal shuffle by then in any case, and without outside help. As for compos mentis, well, just look at him now.
As a former Republican (and still a true conservative, which the GOP is not a conservative party any longer); I think it’s highly unlikely the GOP has any significant ability to move past Trump. Trump the man will be done, he’ll lose some of his personal luster by being a “loser”, and he also is highly likely to be spending a lot of his time on multiple criminal trials in New York State (potentially Federal investigations as well assuming he doesn’t pardon himself on his last day in office.)
There is this rumor I’ve seen going around to some degree or another with a lot of my conservative friends who aren’t happy with how the party has become a white grievance party, that we can “get back to our real core”, the problem is that core no longer exists. The dangerous forces that our party broke bread with to win elections eventually consumed too much of our base and that’s now the party. You can’t just wave a wand and get rid of the huge swathe of the party that only consumes far right media, that operates in the murky world of conspiracy theories and racial animus and extreme parnoia and fear of any demographic change. That’s the party now, and once you’ve gone down that path there is no easy off ramp.
I certainly do not doubt some of the establishment Republicans that made various compromises in the era of Trump will think the time will be ripe for their return, I think they will be disappointed. I suspect the 2024 GOP nominee will be someone as nativist, hostile to democratic norms, and bombastic as Trump himself is–but will probably be someone more adept at forming complete sentences and coherently expressing him/herself.