Where to live in Philadelphia?

There’s a strong possibility my GF is getting a new job in Philadelphia, PA. She’s basically been offered the job already (but still has to go through the application process, blah blah blah). It’s more money for her, but it’s very possible I either won’t be working for a while if I can’t find a job there or will be making significantly less than at my current job. Even if I do find work I’ll likely not be earning what I am now.

We currently earn a combined $80,000, living just outside of DC (we both make about $40k now). Her new job will bump her up to about $56,000, and with whatever crap job I find, I think there’s a strong possibility we’ll end up earning about the same combined as here. There’s a slim chance I’ll be able to keep my current job (with a combination of telecommuting and driving down for a day or two every week), but I’m not counting on that.

In any case, with those numbers in mind, where do we want to look for a place to live? Her job will be in Center City, if that matters.

I have a couple friends that live in the Fishtown area, and they’re really happy with it. It’s pretty close to center city, and seems to be undergoing gentrification (for better or worse). One of my friends has a decent sized apt with very reasonable rent, so it would appear there are still deals to be had there. I enjoy visiting them, this neighborhood seems to be a pretty up-and-coming place.

There are also some neighborhoods in S. Philly that are starting the gentrification process, where there are a lot of really big/cool loft apartments in former warehouse districts you can rent/buy for reasonable prices. A bonus for that area is that parking is pretty plentiful.

That said, with your combined income it shouldn’t be hard to find a decent 1 bedroom in or near Center City that you can afford. But in my opinion being “in the middle of everything” isn’t worth the extra rent plus the hassles and costs associated with owning a car in that area.

Thanks. I’ll take a look around there.

I’ve heard that the cost of living is much lower than DC. Any truth to that?

What’s your tolerance for commuting? If you don’t mind a 30-45 minute commute, try Chestnut Hill, West Mt. Airy, or Manayunk/Roxborough. These are all neighborhoods in the northwest part of the city. Chestnut Hill is the furthest away and is kind of upper-class; West Mt. Airy is just to the south of Chestnut Hill and is sort of genteel-bohemian. Manayunk/Roxborough is more or less an old mill town that has turned semi-hip.

It should be somewhat lower than DC. There are plenty of suburban areas inside and around Philadelphia that will compare favorably to DC. They have pretty good publc transportation, and roads. It was a long, long, long time ago that I worked in center city, and saw no reason I’d ever want to live there. I don’t know of anything that would change my opinion now. It would be very expensive, and nothing that great that wasn’t easily accessible even if you live in the suburbs.

For comparison, we’re paying $1520/month for a 2-bedroom apartment right now, not even in the city proper.

As far as commuting, my current commute is about an hour and I have no objections to public transportation or traffic (I have lived in DC my entire life, so “traffic” anywhere else is trivial to me).

I’ve looked online at apartments in different places around Philly and across the river in NJ, but what I don’t know is which places are good deals in decent neighborhoods and which ones are just a cheap apartment in a shitty neighborhood. For example, I was just looking at a 2-bedroom house for rent in Fishtown for $750/month. Is that a good deal or is that just par for the course in a bad neighborhood?

What sort of neighborhood are you looking for? Do you want to be in middle of downtown, out in the suburbs, or something in between? Do you want to be close to the interstates, or do you not care?

Some real estate agents are relocation specialists. They might be able to help you out. It’s probably easier to spent a weeked in the area and drive around checking the neighborhoods.

Well, I’ve lived and been comfortable in both urban and suburban environments. It would be nice to be close to the interstates if I’m going to be coming down to DC once a week but that’s not really a priority.

I guess what I’m looking for is a place in a decent neighborhood that’s not too expensive and has stuff to do within walking distance. I’m not looking for something right downtown.

What’s the public transportation like? I’m having difficulty making heads or tails of the SEPTA map.

SEPTA transportation’s generally pretty good if you’re you coming from the suburbs to center city and vice versa. (If you’re trying to go from suburb to suburb that aren’t on a direct line -like you want to circle the city - you’re in trouble). There are 3 main train terminals in Center City - Market East, Suburban and 30th St. Most of the regional lines (R-#) stop at multiples. There’s also a (smallish) subway system to get you around parts of Philly. As a whole though, most commuter trains are pretty full in my experience.

If you’re trying to get from Philly to South Jersey, you take the PATCO line, which is a different company than SEPTA (which runs the regional lines, the subway, etc). The PATCO line doesn’t come into the main 3 terminals, but a few blocks away … and I think the Market East stop is connected underground, but it’s been a while.

Some areas that are a little further away that might be worth looking at:

Conshohocken - it’s just outside Philadelphia proper, so you actually get to avoid paying city wage tax and since its a suburb, its a little more spread out, meaning have a car and traveling isn’t so bad. As a bonus, it’s also really close to King of Prussia (maybe 10 mins by car) which has a huge number of corporations if you need to look for a new job ever, as well as the King of Prussia Mall - one of the largest on the east coast.

Conshy (as the locals likes to call it) has 2 SEPTA stops, sits right on the river and is undergoing gentrification. It’s becoming a hot town to live in for the 20-30 crowd with a small, but growing downtown. It’s also convenient to get to Manayunk, which is about 10 years further down the same gentrification path.

Manayunk / Roxborough - was mentioned further up. It’s a great town to be in if you’re in your 20s/30s and like the “hipper” life. Lots of pubs, bars and restaurants downtown along the river, which could be easy to get to (or not, it’s a VERY steep-hilly area). It’s also part of Philadelphia, so wage tax comes into play.

In that area, I’d avoid most of the Northeast. Parts are very nice, parts are very much not. Without seeing in person and being sure of the exact location, it’s probably good to stay away from.

If you’re looking to cross the river, which would be my suggestion (being a Jersey boy), look into these areas:

Cherry Hill - great commuter town, actually named after one of the larger and older indoor malls in the region. There’s a few sections of town that may not be so great, but for the most part it’s solidly middle class.

Maple Shade - has a great “main street”. If you can get within a few blocks of main street, you get a quaint little town feel.

Moorestown - probably the best you can get in the area. Schools are consistently ranked very high and the downtown main street is pretty cute.

Haddonfield / Haddon Heights - these two areas are great suburbs and closer to the PATCO train line into Philly. Haddonfield in particular has a great little downtown with a bunch of small shops and little cafes and restaurants.

Other areas of South Jersey around Philly are pretty good too, as long as you avoid Camden, most of Pennsauken … actually most of the river towns. This is a generalization, but most were built during the industrial boom and what you would think has great land value cause it’s on the river, really doesn’t.
All that said - if you’re going to live outside of center city Philly proper, you’re going to need a car (or two). South Jersey and South Eastern Pennsylvania require driving to get to most places. Even the downtowns I talk about aren’t huge. They’re cute, they’re worth a stroll and living in one means you can probably do dinner or something a couple nights a week without having to drive, but outside of that…

Good luck!

Can’t help too much, but the two lines pointing toward the top left of the page go out to the western suburbs north and south of the Schulkyl river. Southeast of the ‘Skookl’ is the Main Line, great places to live, but somewhat pricey. That line runs right into 30th st. Station, the heart of center city. The P&W, or whatever they call it now, is the purple line that heads that way then turns to the right and crosses the river toward Norristown. You would usually transfer to the subway to get to center city from the end of that line. The other side of the river should be less pricey, and less crowded I think. But I don’t know how convenient the stations are on that side.

My experience in making that move 40 years ago is outdated in the details, but I think you might still get the same general impression. Philly and DC are two different worlds. You really need to spend a little time there to understand the differences.

Olde City or areas around Fairmount Park and Spring Garden.

Best places to live while walking to meaningful things.

My approach is to start at the upper end and if you can’t find anything in these great areas, work your way down.

If you want to kill yourself, move to Jersey (Eastern burbs). Why move here? ::shrug::
If you want to live in the Western Suburbs… well… someone needs to offer a valid reason for this. I don’t get it. Seriously, the Philly burbs offer nothing but a commute.

West Philly near University City: worth consideration.

-Phil
~Philly Born ‘n’ raised.

Old City is nice, but it’s got a pretty active nightlife scene, which may be an issue for some people.

Yeah, nobody cares about great homes and neigborhoods that aren’t overcrowded, excellent schools, cultural centers and events, and restaurants, nightclubs or shopping.

I have to agree with you again. I always wanted live closer to the MOVE people.

Wow, the KoP mall…I worked there when I was an undergrad (at a tiny college in Radnor). :slight_smile: I probably wouldn’t recognize it now, though, since I think major renovations had just started when I graduated ('93).

Me too, '72, at the Woolworth’s lunch counter. Okay, which tiny college? Eastern? Cabrini?

Cabrini. Though in the winter we would go tray-sledding down the hill at Eastern. :smiley:

You can drive all over the western suburbs and commute into and out of Philly every day, or enjoy Philly everyday and lug yourself out to the burbs when something is worth seeing.

Seriously? MOVE? Living near University City offered up and you throw MOVE into the mix? You’ve destroyed any credibility you might have had.

Are you somehow trying to prove you are more “Philly” than someone else? Should I post my Philly resume?

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What’s MOVE?

Relax. My Philadelphia life ended decades ago. It’s just friendly banter between urbans and suburbans. I understand the MOVE people are much less of a concern than they were before the mayor fire-bombed them out of their original home. (Something mayors hardly ever do out in the burbs).