It’s not a signifigant work, but it is reasonably well known: Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron has the Americans as villians, not just antagonists.
In Das Boot, the book anyway, the only direct attacks on the U-boat were from a *British * destroyer and airplane. They suffered more from a hurricane. The enemy in the story would more fairly be described as the war itself, with the crew as the victims.
I’ve seen mention in print of a few modern Russian films, very popular there, in which “the Americans” are seen as the enemy oppressing and pillaging the once-noble Russian people. Don’t have enough for a cite, though.
Actually, not so fast. Bless you, Google:
“Russian shoot-'em-up pokes holes in an America once revered”
By David Filipov, Boston Globe, June 3, 2000
The “corrupting group” in each case is “the Establishment” of “dark forces” that have “stolen” the country, and it matters little how you define them – liberal, conservative, black or green. Point is that the rest of Americans are dupes or complicit in this massive “conspiracy” against “freedom.” The “real Americans” you describe are just patsies, pawns in a little game between “us” and “them.”
Sounds pretty anti-American to me, implying that I’m an idiot or a “traitor” because I don’t buy some nonsense about my “guilt” for things I had nothing to do with.
There were ABSOLUTELY NO AMERICANS in “Das Boot.” Yet you still contend that it was “anti-American?” Go figure.
jdbeatty writes:
> Point is that the rest of Americans are dupes or complicit in this
> massive “conspiracy” against “freedom.” The “real Americans” you describe are
> just patsies, pawns in a little game between “us” and “them.”
Actually, they aren’t shown in general as being dupes or complicit. The “real Americans” are generally shown as being terrorized or oppressed by the bad guys, who have somehow gained power despite not representing the majority of Americans. My real objection to this genre of films is the lack of realism in the power relationships. We’re supposed to believe that the bad guys, despite being a much smaller group of people than the “real Americans,” are able to stay in power over them. And yet when the lone hero fights them, they are easily defeated by him, despite being much more powerful than him.
In some sense, this genre makes no sense. In those cases where someone thinks that the actions of the U.S. are evil, there are three possibilities. Either most Americans really are complicit in the evil, or they are controlled so invisibly by the bad guys that they don’t even realize the extent of the evil, or it’s really not an evil at all, just a case where reality forces an ugly compromise that leaves some residual evil that can’t be eliminated. But none of these possibilities is ever shown in this genre of films. This genre of films never shows “real Americans” as being complicit or dupes, and it never acknowledges the possibility of ugly compromises.
I never said the movie was anti-american. All I said was that US destroyers escorted convoys and fired on subs coming near before the US entered the war. We never see what the nationality is of the destoryers attacking the U-boat during the convoy attack, so I contend that there may be Americans in the movie. It’s hard to tell from just the movie(and I haven’t read the book).
Wow, you must be a Necromancer StusBlues, you’ve just resurrected a 6 years dead Zombie (and I’lm not talking about myself).
P.S: The OP is a good question, I cant recall a single movie where the enemy was “The Americans” (the few examples provided in this thread dont match the criteria. They are usually American Villains, but no way at all are they anything like The Russians or The Germans when depicted as villains in Hollywood movies.)
A few years after the OP, the Turks made Iraq Valley of the Wolves.
The good guys are also Americans in those movies.
Not a single one of these movies paints America as a vilain. All of them have Americans as heroes. Your interpretation of these movies as anti-American is completely out to lunch.
Whoops. I didn’t realize this was a zombie thread.
Would Avatar count, is it just humans in general that are the villains.
It’s humans in general. There’s no nationalistic element, and it has several American heroes.
Here’s a fairly long review of Vally of the Wolves - Iraq for context.
But they are, significantly, exiles from their homeland who have voluntarily transferred their allegiance to another group…that is, if you are talking about the main characters. If you mean the American Indians, I think it was pretty clear that the OP was talking about the nation of the US, not the continent.
“In Bruges,” at least to the main character.
All Quite On The Western Front although it may be a generalized allied enemy and not specifically American.
*The Bridge *(1959) a German film about a group of 16-year old boys who are sent to defend a bridge against the invading American soldiers. A truly devastating anti-war movie.
I’ve always wondered about Verne’s original Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Seas…going from dim memory, there’s a passage in there where Nemo observes slaves laboring on an island under the flag of some hated and infamous nation that is left unnamed. Is it possible he was referring to the United States?
The book was apparently published in 1869, which might or might not mean Verne was aware of the end of slavery in the United States; or he might have simply been ignoring the then-recent changes.