Which is the best Porsche 911?

I used to have a Porsche 911SC. Miles better than the 924 I had before. (The 924 gets no respect; but it handled quite well.) Just now I was watching Top Gear and they praised the Boxster, saying ‘It’s what the 911 was before it turned into Liberace’s boudoir.’ I sold my 911SC when I didn’t have to, and now I have other responsibilities and would be hard-pressed to replace it. I’ve only casually followed developments of the 911 series, but they styling seemed to go downhill starting with the 997 series and its Boxster headlights. Porsche also went against tradition by switching to a liquid-cooled engine. The 997 and 991 look nice, but I think they’re just a bit too far from the iconic 1964 to 1997 shape. Since I’m not in the market for another car, it doesn’t really matter; but I’m mildly curious to know what people think is the best model of the series.

1964 to 1968 was the original style. There were engine and trim options, and one could choose a coupé or a Targa (removable top, with glass or removable rear window). In 1969 the wheelbase was lengthened because the ones with shorter wheelbases could swap ends when driven aggressively. In 1974 the 911 got a 2.7 l engine and big bumpers (to comply with U.S. laws). 1978 saw the introduction of the 911SC, which had nicely-flared rear fenders and a 3.0 l engine. In 1984 the 911SC became the 911 Carrera, and now sported a 3.2 l engine. That one lasted a decade, before the 993 came out in 1994.

The 993 retained the classic look, but the bumpers were better integrated into the design. It also had outrageously wide rear fenders. I remember thinking at the time that they were just too wide. The front fenders were reshaped, and no longer stood up proudly like the ones that came before; but they were attractively done.

Then came the 996. As I mentioned, the 996 got the Boxster headlights. Parts commonality is a way for carmakers to save money, and it’s a way to tie different models together. I just didn’t like that Porsche’s flagship car now had the headlights from their entry-level model. To me, it just looked ‘wrong’. But this was a new body. Previous models were all based on the original 1963 one. So the new front-end treatment is to be expected. The other major thing Porsche did was to replace the air-cooled engine with a liquid-cooled one. I read at the time that this was mechanically the best engine Porsche ever made. I may not like the form as much as I liked the earlier models, but the function seemed to be superior.

The 997 resembled the 996, but it reverted to the ‘bug eye’ headlight treatment that I like.

The 991, introduced in 2012, seems longer and sleeker than a 911 should be. It’s still identifiably a 911, but it strikes me more as a status machine than a serious sports car. Not that it isn’t a serious sports car; it just seems too ‘refined’ to me. On the plus side, how can you not like a 400 hp engine and seven gears? :smiley:

OK, let’s set some limits…

In 50 years of production there have been coupés and Targas and convertibles. There have been different engine options in given years. There are turbos and non-turbos, and RWD and AWD. There have been models specifically produced for racing. I’d like to simplify things by excluding race cars like the GT1, 911S vs. 911RS, and turbocharging options. What I’m curious about is which general model people think is the best of the series. That is, original 911 (1964 year-model to 1968), the lengthened ones (1969 to 1973), the big-bumper ones (1974 to 1977), the 911SC that had the flared rear fenders as standard, the 1984-1993 Carrera with its larger engine, the 993, the 996, or the 991. I’m asking about the model and not the sub-models within those models.

Go.

I can’t choose the RS?

Then, the 1984-93 Carrera. Beautiful car, super fun drive. Wasn’t mine, a friend let me drive his from time to time. He was rich and had lots of sports cars. Ah… the 80s …

No, for the purposes of this thread I consider it an ‘option package’ for the '69-'73 production series.

Yeah, but what an option!

I’ve long considered getting a 911. It’s never been a very practical choice because I’m often having to drive my kids from place to place. They are getting older now and one is about to have her own license (and one of my cars) in a matter of weeks. So a well kept 911 is back on the table for consideration. The new ones are out of my price range and they don’t call to me like the following classics that I would consider.

911SC '77-'83, with the Fuchs wheels.
911 Carrera '84-'89, also with the Fuchs wheels.
993 '93-'98, with the panorama roof would be sweet, but a coupe would be great too.

I’m almost tempted to look at the 996 ('98-'04). I hate the front lights and I’d have to look away every time I approach the car head on. Everything else about the car is pretty nice and the wide body model would be my preference. I’ve driven this car. No question it’s a 911 Porsche. I also appreciate the fact that it’s got the latest modern gear like A/C and a defrost/defog/heater that actually works (unlike the older water cooled models). Additionally, it’s a bargain compared to most of the other models because the front end design is generally reviled by 911 purists.

So yeah… some days I lean towards the 996 for the modern luxuries. But in my heart, I want the classic water cooled models above. I remain conflicted.

And then there are days I yearn for the Saab 900 Turbo Coupe.

Oh… did I mention… all the above cars must be the coupe. I’m not a fan of convertables.

Air-cooled. :wink:

Yeah, I like the coupés. More business-like.

The Church of Aircooled says the 993 is it, as it’s the last, best aircooled car. Personally, I’d say the best 911 was the last 911 - the 3.2L cars with the G50 transmission made from 1987-1989, which are the ultimate evolution of the original model. The 964 (1989-1992) and 993 (1993-1998) are its offspring.

The water-cooled cars made since are, honestly, cynical styling exercises that bear no relation to the original car. Porsche calls them 911s to capitalize on the name, and they shape them to resemble the old model, but the design isn’t organic - it’s form forced over function, rather than flowing from it. That’s not to say the newer models are bad cars - they aren’t, they’re phenomenal. But where the 964 and 993 are genetic descendants of the original 911, the 996 and up models are like androids, made to resemble the original, perform many of the same functions - often even better - but ultimately an artificial reproduction.

There’s an adage: to achieve greatness, don’t do what great men did, but seek what they sought. I wish PorscheAG had the guts to stop mimicking the 911 (the entire model line has to ape its design language) and create independent models that stand on their own merits. Unfortunately, Ferdinand Piech still has influence; as the 911 was the last model designed by a family member, he will not let it die before he does.

epbrown01: I think I agree with you on the 993, that it’s the best of the air-cooled cars – and it is the last evolution of the classic body style. The flares that I thought were way too wide back in the '90s… Well, I still think they’re too wide. But even before the 996 came out, I ceased to find them unattractive. Make mine Rally Yellow, please! :slight_smile:

Your second paragraph hits on what I was trying to come up with in the OP. Well-put.

This. For a reliable car in the true classic 911 body style, the late 80’s cars are great. For the best overall (style-reliability-performance), the '96-'98 993 AWD models are the winners.

I believe the term is curvacious. Mmmmmmm. The Turbo and “S” model 993s had the extra-wide bodies that made them distinct.

I’m not a purist at all… and I’ll freely admit that I love the 993 wide bodies. Heck if I’m driving a 911 I don’t want to be subtle. Make it a Cabriolet with a whale tail.

:smack:

Drinking and posting.

I hope this isn’t too much of a tangent…

Those who have or would get a 911, would you make it your daily driver, say 20 mile round trip commute?

I’ve commuted in every Porsche I’ve ever owned (currently, my only car is a Boxster). The aircooled models were designed to be comfortable daily drivers as well as track-day weapons, rather than the high-strung skittish thoroughbreds sold by an Italian car-maker that also uses a horse on shield logo. If you live in a place with winters, look to the 964 and newer models - the early air-cooleds used the same heating system as a 1950s Beetle, so similar effect.

The newer models - 996 on - are even better daily drivers. I say Porsche grew cynical with the water-pumpers and it’s true. Wendelin Weideking made note of the fact that about 95% of the cars weren’t going anywhere near a race-track, so the mainstream Carreras are essentially sportscar-shaped BMW sedans - comfortable, reliable, excellent handling, and loads of power. The pricey GT3-variants are the hardcore sports cars.

I used to make a 150-mile r/t commute daily in my 924, and an 85-mile r/t daily commute in my 911SC.

Sports cars are seen as maintenance hogs. Yes, they do require more maintenance than, say, a Prius. But the air-cooled 911 engines were bulletproof. My mechanic told me of a guy he knew who decided to see how far he could go in his 911 without doing anything other than routine maintenance. He said the guy finally blew the engine up at 300,000 miles while participating in a hill-climb race.

I’ve always had long commutes. Everyone likes a new car, or a low-mileage car; but I don’t see that as something to be concerned about. Parts can be replaced as they wear out. Heck, you can get brand-new bodies and chassis made on the original equipment for some British cars. If you want to sell your car, the odometer number is important. If you’re going to keep it and drive it, it isn’t.

I’ve had lots. I loved them all.
I still have a 1965 356sc, a 1975 930, a 1984 928, and a 1988 3.2 Carrera.

My 924 lasted 3 days before burning to a crisp.

My favorite 911? My BIL’s '04 GT3. :smiley:

Good cars are wasted on some people.

Good car and 924 are generally not found in the same sentence.

Nobody likes the 924. It was originally going to be an Audi. It had a 2.0 l engine based on the one in the Audi 100. When Audi didn’t want it, VW-Porsche decided to make it a VW. But they decided they could make more money if they sold it as a Porsche. (The 914 was sold as a VW as well as a Porsche.) The 924 looked good. With a nearly 50/50 weight distribution, it handled very well. It was pretty reliable. If it were sold as anything but a Porsche, people would have loved it. But it had the engine in the front, and the engine was liquid-cooled. It wasn’t a real Porsche. So it’s perhaps the most-hated model they ever sold.

I thought mine was pretty good. Could have been faster, but it was fast enough.

Beats hell out of my Chevy Cavallier. :wink:

(sheepishly) I liked the 924. Especially the later one where they brought it back as a cheaper 944 without all the frou-frou bulges and flares. I think they sold about ten of them, none to me. The 924 Turbo looked like it could get me in trouble on a regular basis, when it wasn’t broken. A couple years ago there was a Series 2 924 for sale for a price that I could afford and I had to beg my boss to stop me before I bought it just do I could finally say, nonchalantly, in every conversation, that I owned a Porsche.

For 911-Class I always liked the looks of the 901, though yeah, I don’t doubt it was tail-happy and needed that extra length. Even as a kid, though, I tended toward the [del]cheaper[/del] more-attainable end of the line and wanted a 912.