Really? Because you don’t find Redskins offense, neither should Native Americans? That makes sense.
Please, educate. You can’t tell me I’m wrong and use the BS excuse that you are too tired. It’s your responsibility to educate on this board.
I have heard all the arguments. How the good and wonderful white people were only projecting their admiration to the American Indian, (who, by the way, we reduced to a few poor tribes here and there not he crapoiest land we could find I the country that had absolutely no mineral wealth found on it.)
No, we call teams “Braves” Warriros" etc, to honor the Native Americans. White people want to have their teams named after things of strength and power. Blah blah blah.
Ok. Let’s forget Slaves, I agree they don’t project an image of strength.
How about Mandingos? The very symbol of strength and power. Any objection? (Assuming you know what they are, of course)
I would find it somewhat surprising if any team would choose as its nickname or mascot any black group or person, simply because they were never held to be the white man’s equal. Kind of hard when your race has been enslaved for three hundred years to think that anyone would find your likeness a symbol of power, macho, or whatever.
And Jewish people? Since so many teams are owned by Jews, they certainly have had the chance to change a team name to something that would appeal to the masses. But I can’t think of anything, can you?
Here’s an interesting story that goes into a little more depth into how some Native Americans look at the word “redskin.” There are a variety of opinions but at least we get to hear a little bit about what everybody thinks. I also thought this was really interesting: team founder George Marshall was an even bigger racist than I’d realized, and the football team was named after a coach who purported to be a Native American, he apparently wasn’t- he stole the identity of a Sioux man to avoid the draft. Somehow that seems fitting.
You mean Brockton (MA) High School, for instance? That’s because Rocky Marciano and Marvin Hagler were from there. OK, they got the name from just Marciano, then Hagler came along, but that just cemented it.
In the US, a boxer is an athlete who boxes. “Boxer” isn’t even a good translation from the Chinese word.
ETA: I still can’t believe the Cleveland Indians still use Chief Wahoo as a logo. That’s offensive on multiple levels, not just racism. But the name Indians has honorable and respectful origins and I’m fine with it. So are my Indian relatives.
I don’t know the answer to the first question and I think the answer to the second is irrelevant. It is just a word used from the Choctaw language and not specifically describing the Choctaw people.
I work in a city that describes itself as the “Indian Capital of the Nation”. The two local football teams are the Warriors and the Braves. The local theater is the Redskin and I’ve never seen anyone protest it. All of the Indians that I have talked to about the subject (and it’s quite a few since many are family members) think that the idea of the Redskins having to change their name is silly. “Attention whores” is a phrase that comes up often although not by me.
AFAICT, the name of “Cowboys” for Oklahoma State is more offensive to them. Some people go as far as to wear t-shirts with pictures of famous Indians on them with the phrase, “My heroes have always killed cowboys.” Insert song reference here.
I understand that. I’m trying to determine whether it is a sensible (as opposed to nonsense) construction in Choctaw, and if so whether it can be construed as a slur.
Marshall was one of the last NFL owners to have black players on his team. Veteran Washingto sportswriter Shirley Povich wrote after one game, in which the integrated Cleveland Browns stomped the all-white Redskins, “Jim Brown, born ineligible to play for the Redskins, integrated their end zone three times yesterday.”
The desire to name Indian Territory with an Indian name ran up against the problem that there is no word for “Indian” in any Oklahoma Indian language that is distinct from the word for “human”.
I came in to add this, so it must be right. :D. We couldn’t both be wrong!
Shirley Povich is (I believe, anyway) Maury Povich’s father. He must be so proud of his son and the legacy of the Povich name, testing ghetto and trailer park skanks for paternity. “You are NOT the father.” Should be carved into his headstone when he dies.
sticking that Real on your name when you’re actually not sponsored by the Spanish Casa Real is sort of like sticking a Rep. or a OBE after your name because you saw it on someone else’s card and thought it looked cool. Those guys are claiming a title they have no right to - since they’re not even in the right location to be able to actually get the title, they aren’t so much offensive as sticking a big “I’M A MORON” sign on themselves. I wouldn’t be terribly surprised to find out the people who chose the name thought there is only a team with that “Real” as part of its name and have no idea where it comes from; they may even think it means “real” rather than “royal” (I’ve met several people who did, ISTR it came up in these boards even).
You don’t need to actually know and understand a language just to pick out some words from a bilingual dictionary and stick them together ignorantly. I had understood the question to be if that had been what happened in naming Oklahoma.