In my defense, I accused the poster of promulgating existing lies, not creating new ones. But, fine. I’m wearing big boy pants. I’ll take the warning.
Don’t junior mod.
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Here’s a post I wrote back in March 2016 calling Trump an egotistical idiot.
Hell, lets go back to the heady days of the early 2000s and see what people thought about him on a certain message board…
in Does having money mean you are informed or even intelligent?
in What a fucking gross commercial!
in You’ve got 10 grand, and want to turn it into a million. What do YOU do?
Yeah, I think we noticed…
Much the same way that GWB was sold to the populace as a political ‘outsider’ (he wasn’t), Trump got some people to believe he was plain speaking, plain dealing man of the people! Which is odd, because for 30 years prior, he was universally considered to be a rich elitist playboy douche bag. Even by people that liked him!
In the 80s, a person I know (a Republican business owner) used Trump as an example to teach the youthful me about Ponzi schemes.
Trump’s original fame nationally, now almost 40 years ago, was for running the largest and most obvious Ponzi scheme to bankruptcy rather than get taken down by the cops. He’s been famous as being both crooked and incompetent since the beginning.
This isn’t to deny that he doesn’t seem to have some innate genius for self-promotion and convincing others to give him money, but anyone who has payed even the slimmest attention to Trump over the last 40 years would know that he’s incompetent, criminal, and narcissistic. If, somehow, you evaded that knowledge then that says more about you than about the 2016 election or the media.
Most of those are proven facts, and people did absolutely know about it long before he ran for president.
The difference between Trump and Hillary is like night and day.
Every allegation against Trump is clearly corroborated:
- Trump is sexist (his interview where he states he “grabs pussy”)
- Trump is racist (he described the KKK as “fine”)
- Trump is a narcissist (his endless references to himself what ever the news)
- Trump is a liar (here’s an extensive list)
You could add that he refuses to release his tax returns, appoints his family to key positions, insults many allied countries and withdraws from carefully negotiated treaties on a whim.
By contrast, there is no evidence that Hillary has committed any crime.
In The Land of Smiles (before the Army stopped the whole travesty of a corrupt Parliament and introduced other travesties of its own) it was rather common for loathsome criminals to be made Prime Minister.
The criminal’s supporters were generally quite aware their guy was a criminal but that was an incentive to vote for him. If he was smart enough to steal billions from the public treasury, maybe he’d be smart enough to win billions for the public when appointed to do that.
Perhaps Trump supporters have a similar outlook to many voters where I live.
I’m going to go for both.
The difference, though, is that Trump knows he’s lying and the public knows it too and he knows that and he plays on it.
BTW I have a doozy of a story similar to Moriarty’s which will have to wait until I have permission to tell it.
Hillary is “corrupt” in the way old-school politicians were usually corrupt - lots of backroom agreements and shady business deals but always carefully going no further than the grey area on the border of right and wrong in order to maintain plausible deniability and avoid straying into overt criminality. I wouldn’t characterize her as a “saint” by any means, although compared to the monstrous criminality of her opponents she may well look like one.
Right.
Also, the first alternative in the OP question suffers from several mistakes. Trump’s personality defects were known for decades, but for those decades it just made him good tabloid/Reality TV material and unless you were losing money in a business deal with him, it did not show up on your radar. Of course it became a public issue only when he started seeking public office, and BTW it did not wait until he was facing a Dem, it started in the primary.
Contrary to what some people tell themselves so they can sleep better, no he did not stumble into it through blind chance. The moment was right for someone shameless. As others have mentioned, you can have those defects yet have experience at being a high price version of a street bully, skilled in the Ways of the Weasel, and able to tell a Mark when you see one. And he had allies and supporters who shared that ability. The key there lies in the embrace of the Alt-Right, whereby there could be an audience for the message and proxies to convey it.
The idea all along was, win or lose, to build greatness and fame for himself by delegitimizing the establishment figures in both parties, so if we lose it’s because the contest was rigged by the corrupt establishment, VERY Unfair, and we are still the people’s voice against the illegitimate usurpers in power. He had no way to “lose” because he would just never concede he lost fairly and his audience already was convinced there were illegitimate usurpers in power and this would just prove it.
Isn’t junior modding telling another poster what they can and cannot do? I’m just making a prediction.
To put one more nail in the coffin that we Liberals only started hating Trump when he ran in 2016, you should look at old Doonesbury cartoons of the Trumpster. Yeah we knew he was a classless misogynistic narcissistic boob. The racism wasn’t quite as well known until he first started his campaign by saying that the majority of Mexican migrants were rapists and murderers. But it does go back at least to 1973.
As people have said, it was well known that Trump was crooked. But up until 2016, he was just a crooked businessman. It wasn’t a big deal until he became a crooked presidential candidate.
It had nothing to do with party affiliation. If Trump had somehow managed to become the Democratic presidential candidate, his crookedness would have received at least as much attention. Probably a great deal more because Republicans are better at pointing fingers than Democrats are.
Tru nuff.
And, it should be pointed out, it is the Republicans investigating Trump as it is.
Mueller - Republican
Rosenstein - Republican
Comey - Republican
Congressional Committees - Chaired by Republicans
FISC Judges - Majority Republican
FBI - (Probably) majority Republican