“I’m gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whiteys I see…gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whiteys I see…”
“Then I’ll get a white woman who’s wearin’ a navy blue sweater…”
(I know, I’m a day late and a dollar short, but I’ve never gotten to use an obscure Garrett Morris quote and had it make sense before.)
Ava
Are you looking to prove yourself totally dishonest? You have joined together my introductory statement and the paraphrase with which I concluded and deliberately excluded the exact quote of the OP that I had posted. What sort of person tries to lie about what has been posted when the evidence is directly above their own lie? Note the place where you joined the words “thatThere” at the exact point where you deliberately eliminated the quotation from my post of 02-08-2003 05:45 PM.
Thus:
Please return only when you are capable of reading for comprehension and posting without lying about others’ honesty.
Download George Carlin give ebonics lessons and listen to everyone laugh— (Warning: Lotso popups)
See that one of the skits considered The Best From Season One on Madtv is That’s My White Momma In which a white man is possessed by a “ghetto black woman”. Hilarity ensues.
Listen to Howard Stern on any of these radio stations any day of the week while he bandies about racial slurs and everybody laughs.
Now tell me again how the OP’s original rant about white people whining about not being able to crack on blacks while blacks have card blanc is unfounded.
I’m not talking about US law. I’m talking about offensiveness in general. Do you disagree with me when I say that fat jokes in general are more inflammatory than skinny jokes?
I think it is hypocritical to be “anti-PC” only when it meets your agenda. If people honestly get offended when Rock uses the word cracker, fine. But they better be compassionate and understanding whenever other groups get upset, and be able to explain the reason why they are offended without citing what other groups supposedly “get away with”. And I don’t see that happening. All too often, the real offense comes from indignant what-if speculation. As in “What if it had been a white man saying ‘nigger’; there’d be rioting in the streets!” Thus, the offense isn’t coming from “cracker”; it’s coming from the presumption that blacks can say things that whites can’t. Never mind that whites can cover territory that blacks are not welcome to. Never mind the fact that “nigger” and “cracker” carry different baggage and therefore, represent two different things. All focus goes to the idea that blacks can say things like nigger, but whites can’t without looking racist.
It’s hard for me to muster up sympathy for someone when all they really want is to call someone “nigger” and be laughed at instead of booed. Parse through the bullshit and nine times out of ten, that’s what the real beef is about. Not cracker, but nigger.
You are right and I mispoke. When I hit the quote button, it deleted the intervening quote and joined these up. I did not know what had happened at first and had to go back and piece it together. Nevertheless, I still fill that your paraphrase of the Opie did not accurately reflect the Opie.
Howard Stern is a really bad example to cite. People have tried to get him censored and banned, and he has been to court over this. So no, it’s not a case that “everybody laughs.” For that matter, that’s not the case with the other examples, either.
Skinny jokes would also include references to anorexia and bulemia. Accusing someone of having a disorder, especially if the accusation is unfounded, could be just as inflamatory, yes.
Thanks to You With The Face, we know know that the desire to not be referred to with slurs is really a form of racism. YWTF has unmasked the hidden racism of those who object to slurs and stereotypes.
Of course it was easy enough to do because all them white folks are racist. [/irony]
Yes or no: Do you think Chris Rock is racist?
Do you think Andrew Dice Clay is racist?
Do you think George Carlin is racist?
Do you think the OP comedian was being racist?
Do you think SNL is racist? Mad TV?
If you believe in censoring Chris Rock, then you should also believe in censoring white comedians who employ racial humor. Is that what you are advocating? I really can’t tell.
No, I don’t do yes-or-no.
I haven’t seen enough of him to form an opinion.
I certainly think ADC posed in a way to give that impression. Whether the man himself is, or whether it was an act, I don’t know. I do know he dropped the Dice character once he was no longer getting bookings and tried a different tack.
Are we refering to his ebonics skit? If so, I’d like to see some standards saying that making fun of accents across racial lines is racist. Hence, when a black comic makes fun of Japanese “Engrish,” it’s racist. I won’t settle for an argument that says “It’s only racist when you do it to me and not racist when I do it to you.”
No idea. He wasn’t even named.
I see racism as a deliberate intent to defame a group. I see a lot of SNL as deliberately courting outrage by saying taboo things for comic effect. E.g., Eddie Murphy’s “kill my landlord” sketch.
I don’t even remember mentioning Chris Rock.
This statement again makes me question how you’ve reached your conclusions. Chris Rock is probably the most controversial black comedian out there today, because of his generous use of the word “nigger” and “cracker”. In fact, an earlier thread about him inspired this one. But you haven’t seen enough of him to form an opinion? Well, then where are you getting the idea of this “rule” from? If it’s not from him, who else?
Can you name one black comedian who gets away with racial material that white comedians can not? If you can’t name names, can you at least give an example of a joke that a black comedian has said that would hang a white one? In other words, can you substatiate your belief in a racial double-standard? Or is this all stemming from perception?
We are 3 pages into this thread and you have not yet produced any evidence to back yourself up. So far, you have not even cited one black comedian as an example, which makes me wonder if you are educated enough about this topic to debate it.
Perhaps the issue is that they are afraid to try that type of material for fear of being labeled stung. Or maybe afraid that the white audience will be too uptight (or fearful of being labeled racist) to laugh.
Somebody’s gonna have to step up and try it. A sacrificial lamb, if you will. I vote for Robin Williams.
I think spooje is right to a degree. I also think that all those black comedians who do racial humor do not just make fun of whites. What they do is contrast the percieved difference in the two. The structure of the jokes usually follow this formula: Did you ever notice how white people do [this silly thing], while blacks do [this other silly thing]?
I can’t think of a black comedian whose routine consists of racial slurs against whites.
Oh my God! Maybe there really is something to this bias.
It’s not a real cite. It’s a joke. It’s terrible that I feel I have to put in this disclaimer, but it has been proven time and again that many who read here can be a little humor deficient.
Once again, please treat me as an individual, even though all of us folks look alike. Please do not ask me to support the arguments of other people or assume I agree with them.
I entered the thread to post a question: Can you cite more than one instance of a white comic bashing black people and “everyone laughs”? I still have not seen that.
On page one Pucky wrote:
Exception to what? From the start you maintained the existence of some presupposed rule and opined that the OP was an obvious exception to it. All I’ve been asking (for the past 3 pages) is how do reach this conclusion? Is it supportable with examples that clearly shows a certain unjust pattern? Does your belief originate from factual evidence that inarguably demonstrates a double-standard in the comedy arena? Or does it all stem from perception? Just because it may seem as if whites get foot-in-mouth disease moreso than other groups, doesn’t mean that a double-standard is in place.
On page two:
I want to hear of some of these instances. With the exception of Spike Lee (who does take heat for his controversial material) you have only discussed white people who have gotten in trouble. If your point is that white people get in trouble for doing/saying offensive things, then I’d agree with you, based on what the examples you’ve provided. But if your point is that white people get in trouble but blacks who do/say comparably racist things DO NOT, then you’re not proving that point at all by neglecting to specifically cite black people in your examples.
And that is all. I’m tiring of this discussion.
This is a wild-goose chase, you do realize? “Everyone” never laughs. People take offense at fart jokes, fat jokes, skinny jokes, blonde jokes, black jokes, white jokes, nerd jerks, jock jokes, French jokes, Brit jokes, EVERY joke. You may think everyone laughs at Chris Rock, for instance, but there is always a segment of the population who gets upset at the fact that “their group” is being laughed at. YOU might not ever hear about them, but that doesn’t mean the dissidents don’t exist.
So your question can’t be answered. Sorry.
To the condemnation white people risk for saying anything that can be construed negatively.
Again, you can disagree with points I have made. Don’t invent them or attribute to me what others have said.
Ah, so the lightbulb finally goes on.
. . . revealing the sophist lurking in the dank, dark crevice under the stairs.
The monkey knows how you’ll react,
Creating want by holding back,
Like some reverse pyromaniac,
Let me try, baby, try.
-Aimee Mann, High on Sunday 51