Thanks for the accounting. So what have we learned from this? In a thread on the Dope started by you yesterday, a subset of self selected board members have voluntarily contributed anectdotes to this thread and you have categorized them by year.
What an absolute metric shit ton of valuable information…
Well, that’s more than you’ve done Furious George.
Her Majesty’s a pretty nice girl, but she doesn’t have a lot to say.
Got that. See post 55.
Hey I performed an analysis of the accounting that’s as in depth and valuable as the information itself.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/justice/north-carolina-teen-killed/
Family says police officer shot Keith Vidal after saying, “We don’t have time for this.”
He really didn’t.
Is that a complete list? If not, how can you come to that conclusion?
I am absolutely certain that, as a counting so far, it was complete and accurate at the time I posted. ![]()
I’m curious what the words “so far” mean to you.
There’s a side discussion about whether the percentage of encounters with the police should be taken into account. Well, yes and no. Sure, that could be interesting, and it may show that the police are not deliberately targeting black men.
But there’s a wider question: are police in our country effectively trained at strategies for de-escalating violent situations in a way that results in nobody being injured or killed? Examples of white guys getting shot may add to the evidence that police training in this regard is inadequate–or that, while there’s training, the consequences for escalation are sufficiently minor that they don’t act as a deterrent. Which is to say, lock up some of the violent cops, and the others might start thinking twice.
And if that’s the case, then the fact that black people encounter the police more often means they’re exposed to this unacceptable risk more often, and even if they’re exposed to it in a proportional manner, its effect on black Americans can be disproportionate.
August 2014:
2 February 2015:
I’m not quite sure what the exact inclusion categories for “questionable circumstances” are here, or whether the fact that the officers in the first two stories were off-duty makes any difference in the bookkeeping.
The type of sofa Seinfeld wished he owned when Poppy sat on his.
Another problem is cops are either improperly trained or willfully obtuse to people that have physical and mental problems. I’ve read more than a few cases where cops killed or injured people that had problems such as deafness, Down’s Syndrome, Autism, etc. Police are just too quick to blow somebody’s head off rather than calmly evaluate the situation even when weapons are not being used by suspects. It’s also funny how in those cases where the police are called when someone threatens suicide the police usually have a way of helping those people out.
Reminds me of a notorious case in the UK. Back in 2012 a 61 year old blind man was walking along the street. Having had two recent strokes he was moving at a speed he described as a snail’s pace. He heard shouting and feared there were muggers about to attack him.
Sadly it was worse. There was a police officer on the lookout for a man reported to be carrying a samurai sword. He saw the white cane the blind man was using and unleashed a 50,000 volt taser into the back of the harmless and, as mentioned, slow moving gentleman. Then cuffed him.
An enquiry took about a year and decided no criminal charges would be made against the police officer. Another six months after that and the police officer was ordered to apologise to the victim. If it is important the victim was white.
Note there was a bloke caught that night “on suspicion of carrying an offensive weapon” but in the end he wasn’t charged (no pun intended) with anything.
TCMF-2L
In that context, it is a nonsense phrase since the rate of incidence, which is what is being claimed, is not influenced by anyone’s reporting of any given incident.
All three are as “questionable” as the other incidents. “Questionable” as in not straightforward-justified, and killing unarmed civilians.
I’m 57 and I own a handgun and a shotgun. I am not a cop. I’ve never killed anyone, be it murder, negligence, accident, depraved indifference, luck of the draw, or whatever.
Just as a data point.
Some of the apparent anti-black discrimination in U.S. is actually anti-underclass. They get conflated because of the high correlation between race and poverty. (Of course there is a racist tendency to prejudge a person’s “class” based on his skin color.)
Sounds like you have some caching up to do. Do you live near a black ghetto? Thought of joining Neighborhood Watch? ![]()