What didn’t you like about Rose Bird? I realize she got voted out of office, but do you remember why?
Jerry Brown was right. Prop 13 is responsible for the miserable state California finds itself in now. Tax relief without regard to spending and budget is irresponsible, and proves you cannot starve the beast without mortally wounding the economy. California will never reduce its deficit without tax increases.
Prop 13 on Residential Property was a Good idea, but not on commercial property. I think that’s what Brown said also.
I am amazed!:eek:
Her anti death penility stand. She over turned trials on some of the weakest stands. She had an attitude of “it depends on what is means” I could not understand how she came to the conclusiions she did.
A lot of his idesa were dumb. His appointments to the courts were rejected by the Calif voters. His stand on prop 13. The way state workers were treated. Pay warrents not pay checks some months. Ballancing the budjet by no or little raises. The cuts in good programs at state colleges. Programs stasrted that were late cut but other govs. When he opened his mouth many time the responce was Huh what.
One of his cuts after the passage of prop 13 was in the industrial safety department (before it bacame Cal OSHA). He eliminated most elevator inspectors. At this time I was was no longer working for the state but a department store. My store had 2 elevators and 4 escalators. They were all 18 months out of inspection when I started. I got them inspected by pressuring the state.Inspection fees $267 per unit. Time to inspect 2 hours. Income to state $1608. And the inspector who did the inspections was a boiler inspector. so much for a safe inspection. And Brown bragging on saving the state money by lay offs.
Wait, wait, wait. This is worse than the recent actions by the Governator? Instead of pay warrants, state employees are getting unpaid days off. Whitman will improve that?
Will Whitman miraculously restore funding to what used to be the best and the most available state educational system in the nation, and is now one of the worst? How?
Will she reverse Proposition 13, so that local property taxes will again support state elevator inspectors?
In short, have you any idea what you’re talking about?
I agree that Calif will have to raise taxes, no choice no other real way out of the mess we are in. But there is no way out that does not include cuts in spending.
Brown was against property tax relief of any sort. In post 107 there is a link at the botttom of the link is this coment about prop 13
New York Times, April 5, 1992:
By that time, Proposition 13 had cut average property tax rates to $1.13 per $100 of assessed valuation in 1982 from $11.24 per $100 in 1972, and forced $7 billion in spending cuts. The budget surplus had evaporated into a deficit of more than $1 billion and the state’s general fund reserve had fallen from nearly $2 billion to zero.
Last year I purchased a little house for $250,000. My property tax last year was $3,690. With out prop 13 and a rate of $11.24/$100 the tax would have been $28,100. That is why prop 13 passed.
It is a bad law but was our only choice. The only relief out of Sacramento was the home owners exemption. It would only be a savings of $191.08. The tax on my home would be $78,488 per year. I would be lliving in my car.
Yes I do have an Idea what I am talking about. I was asked what I dislike about Brown, not what I liked about Whitman. They both scare me. If either one is elected Calif is screwed. Would you rather be hit with a baseball bat or a large sleg hammer?
With Brown I know haw bad it will be with Whitman I do not know how bad it will be. I am not sure which is worse.
These two sentences are from the same post. No further comment.
NO need to two different houses. Two different tax amounts. Glad you could affors $78,000 a year in taxes.
So in other words, you really dislike the fact that Brown cut spending, and what California really needs right now, instead of Brown, would be someone who would cut spending?
You get what you pay for. If you cut how much you spend, then you cut how much you get for it, too. That’s absolutely fundamental.
Given your other posts in this thread, I have to ask: can you even remember any of the conclusions she came to?
And the campaign heats up some…
Jerry calls Meg a Whore, or did he? Someone did! Wonder what Meg will say about this.
(go Jerry!)
@ Snnipe 70E
SHE (Rose) didn’t overturn the convictions, she merely voted to overturn them. Remember, it’s the Cal Supreme Court, and it takes a majority vote to overturn a conviction.
Rose Bird was opposed to the death penalty, no argument there. But let’s remember that it was the US Supreme Court that ruled that the death penalty as enacted in many states, including California, was unconstitutional. Bird and her colleagues – quite properly – threw out every death penalty verdict until California’s death penalty law was reformed to comply with federal standards.
Do you think your house would have been worth $250,000 and your property tax 11.24% if Proposition 13 had not passed?
That kind of high tax rate is only sustainable if property values are low.
No but I would have never bought the second house. And at the rate that property taxes were raising when prop 13 passed I would have lost the home I was living in and the bigest land woner would have been the various counties in the state.
So? The biggest landowner in the state of Montana is the federal government. In fact, that’s likely true in California, too, thanks to Yosemite, Death Valley, and other national parks/forests/monuments/etc.
So you think it would be better to rent from the government than be a home owner. That the fewer home owners the better?
This makes no sense. Federal land ownership doesn’t reduce the number of home owners; it only restricts the locations one can build on.
So you got screwed because the state made agreements with the banks to accept pay warrants and you suffered no losses as a result? Those bastards!