Who are the aspiring authors here?

Yeah, 5000 sounds a bit steep, imho. Then again, maybe that’s how much you’d need to write in order to finish a book in a reasonable amount of time.

Some 10 years ago I was at a fantasy convention in Bonn and even though the convention was about roleplaying- and tabletop games, the German Science Fiction and Fantasy Author Wolfgang Hohlbein was there as a special guest. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say, but the most important thing I remember was this: His first novel was published under the general label “novel”, instead of Fantasy or Science Fiction (I don’t recall which of the two it was). He believed that this helped the success of the book tremendously, since a lot of people won’t touch either genre with a ten foot pole, just because of their reputation.

"And if there’s no story to tell…"

That doesn’t matter: Seinfeld was a great show, despite - or maybe because of - having no real story :wink:

I’ve been writing since i was 11, but of late ive moved toward more African theme books. I used to write thrillers, but now i write books that tackle the issues facing Africa like poverty and war. However i do keep copies of my older work and with some re-writing, it could be decent.
On a different note, I wrote a satirical play called ‘the maverick president’’ about a new breed of African leader who is the complete opposite of the stereotypical one…a bit hard to explain right now but it holds a special place in my heart. Will i ever be published? You never know! Remember the name…

I remember when i started writing, i used non-African names all the way…Matthew Fletcher,David Jones…the works. My dad stumbled on it, and gave me a kind of lecture. Ýou are African’he said '‘Let the world know about Africa. Foreigners have enough people to write for them’ or something along those lines. I sat down and couldnt think of a single African name! Still gives me a few laughs now. As an African, i had very little exposure to my own culture even though i was living in Africa (Uganda) we had only American TV shows and novels and i had no inkling about my own culture. Im doing better now…

I’m fairly sure it was 5000. I’ve met the guy a couple of times since he used to live nearby and our school English teacher was a friend of his. He does get 2 good books out per year though, and if you’re going to do that then it IS a full time job.

On a different note, has anyone ever used a dictaphone or some other method of getting their ideas down, apart from writing them? I’ve always found that it isn’t a lack of ideas that stops me from writing lots, but it’s just getting it all on paper (or computer) before you forget vital bits and pieces. Not so much of a problem with poetry though, I can generally remember a poem my head comes up with long enough to write it down.

Look, 5000 words every single day is excessively, obscenely, mind-meltingly much. And here, he says that it was “more than 400”.

I have on occasion used a dictaphone, but just to get my mind going. Since you can’t review quickly what you’ve spoken onto the tape, I do not like it very much. I only use it for ramblings: as soon as I get a worthwhile idea I prefer to jot it down on a piece of paper. For the times (good times!) when my thoughts start flowing faster than I can write them out, I stop briefly to note the ‘index’ of my thoughts in keywords (sketching the outline). Then I go on, and when the flow slows down, I can continue on the basis of my memory and the keywords.

If “aspiring” can be taken to mean “incompetent,” that’s pretty much me. I TRY to write - did my NaNoWriMo in November like a good little girl (resulting in a mightily crappy hunk of incoherent garbage)… I also jot down (sucky) short stories and vingnettes just for kicks, and I’m forever fleshing out novel ideas and then finding it impossible to actually turn them into words.

I’m altogether unpublished, though, and not actively seeking publication of anything, right now.

Sigh Someday, I’ll write the Great American Novel… Or at least actually finish something that isn’t positively painful to read.

Yes, but eventually I kept forgetting to check what I’d spoken into it.

As my typing speed has vastly improved since those days, getting things written quickly is no longer a problem.


NOOOOOOOCLUUUUUUUEBOOYYYYYYYYY!!!

I am famfoozled. Should I be insulted or flattered? You konfooz me! Uhhh…thanks???
FYI, I have had many short stories, poems, non-fiction, and an excerpt from a novel printed in the small press and college magazines, have won many contest awards, and have written a few screenplays, though I have yet to make it to the big time in any of these areas.

viva

5000 is an unthinkable number of words to do every calendar day. Totally unachievable and you’d end up with a huge quantity of books to market as well.

If an average book is about 100 000 words, you’d be finishing a novel every 20 days. Yikes.

I would like to write a thousand words a day, but it ends up being 500 or so…
the Net is an invaluable research tool, although you have to be wary of nonsense information…
but boards like this are too entertaining and you end up writing less novel and more chat.
[curses]

Anvil Press (I think that’s it) has a contest every year for the best novel written entirely over the 3=day Labor Day weekend. Average submission is 105 pages. (Average? Maybe I mean typical.) 100 pages= 20,000 words, in three days.

They get hundreds of submissions.

I actually have something meaningful to contribute here, and that’s rare enough that I’m marking my calendar.

I am a desperately frustrated member of an underserved market whose dearth of entertainment fodder approaches stark famine. I’m a gay woman in a long-term relationship. You’re talking no movies, no TV, no radio, no books, no grrl bands, no bodice-rippers, no op-ed pieces. If we want to be entertained, we have to do it ourselves. And since, in the Great Cultural Split, the boys got all the writers and we got all the auto mechanics, there’s a real scarcity of writing talent among My People.

When your back’s to the wall, you come out slugging. So I started a website to teach My People how to write, in addition to doing so myself. You guys who are stalled want some advice? I’ll give you some advice.

1.) Anyone can do this. It’s true. Your human-type brain is wired for storytelling, and you cannot escape your heritage. Some of my writing clients started out in distinctly unpromising ways, and I often despaired of getting anything coherent out of them. Three of my first clients are now working on their first books.

2.) It ain’t the writing, it’s the re-writing. Here’s your (admittedly low) target: nothing can go through ten drafts and still suck. It may not look like you expected it to, but it won’t suck, and you can go from there.

3.) Work on more than one project. If one of them is a novel, start with a present-tense outline, which will enable you to do groovy things like foreshadowing and knowing why your heroine has that odd enthusiasm for Hummel figurines. Work on one project until you can’t stand the sight of it any more, then put it away. If it’s a novel, put it away for a minimum of two months and resist the temptation to look at it again in that time. While your first project is lying fallow (and you’re forgetting all about it so you can come back to it with fresh eyes), pick up your second project.

4.) Most people do not know how to edit, which is becoming a lost art. Remember this when you give your manuscript to your best skatin’ buddy for review.

5.) You standardize the grammar and spelling to make it easier on your audience, which you hope will be sizable. Not everyone reads easily or is capable of navigating a dense style with grace. This is why Theodore Dreiser is rarely read for pleasure. If you use commonly-accepted grammar and spelling, you will meet your audience halfway. I predict you will regret it if you let the reader trip over your style on the way to your story.

6.) Every plot move is a fulfillment of what came before and a promise of what is to come.

7.) It is not necessary to write what you know. This is why science fiction is possible.

8.) It is not necessary to start with a bang. If your premise is worthwhile, your reader won’t need the whizzo graphics and the stereophonic sound effects.

9.) The more you write, the better you get at it. The better you get, the more fun it will be. The more fun you have, the more that fun will leak out all over the page and infect the reader.

10.) Writing is supposed to be fun. Like sex. If it’s not fun, you’re doing something wrong. Like sex.

11.) Virtually every piece of writing advice is a matter of opinion. You want to try something innovative, bust a few preconceptions, break a few rules? Go right ahead. Ain’t no rules in a knife fight.

Honest to God, writing is the single most accessible hobby I can think of. It took me years to learn to ride a bike, but I spent a total of four months on my first novel, and it’s not half bad.

So there.

I’m currently sitting on an unfinished Star Trek novel; every once in a while I try to flesh out some of the characters and scenes in the middle…I’m done the beginning and end, but got to fill out the middle.

If it dosen’t pan out, I can always submit it to a fan-fiction site.

but Cicada, the advice was to do 5000 every day. It’s way different to doing 20 000 words in 3 days. You’d be wiped out longterm.

Plus you’d still have to market the damned things. Marketing sucks the big one. Hate it, hate it, hate it.

5000 a day adds up to being a lot, too–almost as much. I don’t know. I write pretty fast but I also rewrite a hell of a lot. A minimum of three drafts. The more you do it the better you get, or at least that’s the hope.

Right, Primaflora, marketing sucks. And I am no damn good at it. Or selling. Oddly, I thought my publisher would handle that end of it, but I was wrong.

McJohn has some really good advice here.

I’ve finished two romance mss. Check out my homepage to see what kind of books I write. Yeah, I don’t expect to get any kind of respect.

I promise myself five pages a day, but I’m a big fat liar. I don’t get too worried about it though, because it seems I’m only writing for myself.

I’ve been writing fiction since the age of 10, and thus far have only published a handful of poems in little bitty publications. To be perfectly honest, I’ve yet to even attempt to publish a short story (thus far I’ve only written one novel length story, so that’s even farther away) and when I’m honest with myself, I chalk my failure to attempt to publish stories to a combination of two things:

  1. I’m a coward. I’m afraid of being rejected, but perhaps I’ll get over it and be brave. I’ve been brave enough to submit poems, haven’t I?

  2. I have trouble categorizing my stories. This is the more frustrating reason of the two. I think I can probably overcome #1 if I can only decide where I should publish my stories. “The writers market” and so on completely overwhelm me, and I don’t even know where to start sending stories/buying copies for review. A lot of my stories don’t fit the regular Scifi/horror/comedy/drama slots, so that’s what confuses me when it comes to “helpful” writing books. I mean, what genres are stories about: a woman who meets God in an elevator, a person who is writing scathing letters to her dead boyfriend, or one that is from the point of view of the food in your refrigerator?

I keep promising myself to get it together before I’m 30, but that’s only four years- and 12 days- away, and I’m no closer to picking anything to try to submit anywhere to publish. However, maybe the story I’ve just started- I’m on page 9 of a fantasy (hopefully)novel for YA readers- could be something I’ll eventually be able to market. I already know the genre, so that’s a start :stuck_out_tongue: