Who can tell me about the Army Psychological Operations Specialists?

Last year working at Barnes and Noble I ran across a wonderful little book called Gig, which was a compilation of hundreds of interviews given to everyday American working folk, from drug dealers and prostitutes to major Hollywood film producers and enterprising crime scene cleaning business owners. Great read.

The most striking job interview for me was with a Psychological Operations Specialist. The full interview can be found here. As soon as I get my AA (should be soon), I plan on majoring in Psychology at a university. I like to know what makes people tick. I love taking a handful of features, quirks, and attributes that are immediately noticeable about a person and drawing conclusions about who they are. And then finding out over a period of a few months that I was right from the start. I enjoy giving people advice and opening new doors of perspective for them on the whats and whys of how they fit in with other people. If I could have any superpower, it would be the ability to read minds.

I’d then like to pursue an education in all things multimedia. Film, graphic design, writing, music, everything. Ultimately, I want to find a niche that combines psychology and art. I’ve grown up watching an absurd amount of tv, movies, constantly listening to music, and reading books of every kind. Every time I watch something I can’t but help thing how I’d like to change a line just a little, alter the lighting, rewrite a character’s development, or any number of things. I don’t have much interest being in front of the camera or on a stage, but I think I could be wonderful at developing a major project from the ground up and making sure everything is tight and pitch perfect. I love idea people, and love spending time with them. I consider myself one. I’m constantly writing down ideas for different projects and tinkering around with them. The ones that are doable now I finish. The ones that require more education or life experience, I tuck away for later.

The Army Psychological Operations Specialist appears to train a person for all of these things, and give you experience to boot. From the way I’ve heard it described thus far, I’d be working on tv shows, radio shows, newspapers, pamphlets, and everything else under the sun. I’d be trying to figure the minds of different people as the army moves into their territory and then alter their perception of us so that relations are kept peachy keen.

But those are the Army’s descriptions. I’m weary of researching any field within the military on random websites since you never know if the opinions or factoids expressed are that of an individual, or that of a recruiter/PR guy. Hopefully someone here in the SDMB can weigh in as to what they’re all about and the extent of the education they provide for the multimedia stuff. What I’d really like to know is how comparable their education and assignments would be to a school or program that specializes in digital media and film, like Fullsail University for instance.

Umm… you have the interview, why don’t you write to the guy?

If I remember correctly,Airman Doors does(or did) this kind of work in the USAF. It may be worth a shot to PM or email him.

The interview wasn’t done with the person who posted it online, the article comes from a book. The book names the soldier being interviewed, but it doesn’t give away her contact information and neither does the web page.

No kidding? I always thought Airman was, well…an air man. I’ll shoot him a PM tomorrow.

I thought he was aerial gunner. But I am easily confused.

No, that’s me, although I believe Airman Doors is also a flyer of somesorts.

I am currently in an MI slot and have worked with people from PSYOPS. Here is the armys site for PSYOPS. If you go into it prepare to get sand in your shoes. They are part of Special Operations and work closely with the Green Berets.

I know a martial arts instructor who is a former Special Operations PsyOps soldier. I sent him an email asking him if he’d mind talking to you. I’ll let you know when I hear back from him.

A friend of mine once told me regarding PsyOps: “Don’t expect to ever see home again. Also, it isn’t as cool as Doogie Howser made it out to be in Starship Troopers, but it is alot cooler than most other military jobs.”

JoeSki, I heard back, check your PM in a few minutes and I’ll send you his contact information. He’d like to screen you first to make sure you’re not a nut or a terrorist. Be nice and polite, he’s one of the nicest and friendliest guys you’ll ever meet, but also one of the scariest. He’s one of the only guys I’ve ever known who offhandedly brings up things like “one of the times I got stabbed.” :smiley:

By the way, this:

Is dead on and bears repeating. It’s no desk job. You’re looking at being a SpecOps combat soldier in wartime, no small thing.

Very interesting site. The pages linked from the main page were good reads too. Thanks! All of the information here has made me more interested than I was before.

I’ve been living in Florida for the past 11 years. I’m 21, so that’s more than half of my life. If you look in my post history, you’ll see quite a few older posts from me griping and moaning about wanting to move out from several years ago. I’m done complaining and so I stipped with those posts, but it’s never grown on me. I’m more than ready to leave Florida, and stay gone. I may have only lived in South Caroline for 2-3 years, Colorado for half a year at most, and I’ve only visited Massachusetts, but all of those places have felt more like home to me than Florida.

Though none of this is to say I’m not making the best of it.

Hey Pravnik, I just sent you a response. It’s 1:38am over here right now and it looks like the martial arts board doesn’t want to send me my registration conformation email just yet, so I’ll be have to wait until tomorrow morning before getting into touch with your friend.

Based on what I read I did assume it was a bit of a desk job, but hearing that it’s not doesn’t affect my interest. I had taken a look at what the Marines offered, but the prospect of having no control over what job I had turned me off. More than anything else, I’m going to be looking for life experience and an education towards a career after I get my BA. I want to push myself as hard as I can and see as much as I can, and that I might not accomplish that is a far scarier thought than anything else to me right now.

Um, think he’d be interested in joining the 'Dope and starting his own thread? No fair hoarding the information to a select few. :slight_smile:

How can “Psychological Operations” relate to the arts?

From Wikipedia’s article on Paul Anthony Linebarger:

Under the name “Cordwainer Smith” he produced some of the most exquisite science fiction ever written. I first encountered his works in Galaxy magazine, back in the early 60’s. He was not prolific–he died in his 50’s & was obviously busy with other things. So two anthologies (The Rediscovery of Man & Norstrilia) contain most of the work.

I once saw an Army commercial where an Intel analyst was looking at some high tech gedgetry when he touches his earpiece and announces “We just got a SITREP from Alpha company!” and everyone around him starts scurrying, looking busy. I laughed my ass off. I want one of those headsets! On top of that, a SitRep is an incredibly routine thing that happens several times a day…boring.

My point is that if there’s a job that sounds all James Bond-y, it probably isn’t. Now, don’t get me wrong. Intel is cool, and PsyOps seems to have fun at their job, but this “Never seeing home” stuff sounds more like the active duty, SpecOps guys than just your average army unit.

It’s the Army, not the CIA, and certainly not Hollywood. I’d advise you to do it anyway, and use it as a springboard for a civilian career w/ a three-letter agency like I’m doing w/ intel.

SitRep would be “situation report”? If so, it sounds about as exciting as a factory foreman going on comm with each production line to ask whether everything is OK. In Bro’s military service, those were done over the radio in large locations and by lung-power in small ones :slight_smile:

Unless there has been a significant change within the U.S. ground forces PSYOPS are in no way equivelent to SF ,in no way as highly trained and in no way put in the way of anything near the danger real soldiers are put into.

My caveat is things may have changed but I doubt it .

PSYOPS IME consists of hearts and minds which doesnt actually work for the civvies in country if it is attempted by REMFs ,even Iraqi peasants can recognise the difference between those actually fighting the war and the Walter Mitties who turn up when the body bags have been taken away.
Their first action seems to be to take photos of each other so they can B/S the people back home .

No doubt they have had successes in their field ,its just that I or anyone I have ever known have never actually come across one .
Their best job seems to be promoting themselves to the head shed back home (no shortage of medals for them for their arduous treatment playing video games in their tents .)
As they are such steely eyed killers it might be a good idea to send them off on real ops in between standing around and pissing the locals off with their well meaning efforts.

Airborne ?Special ops?my arse!
A few training jumps does not a paratrooper make !

Completely agree. Well said.

Well, being a civilian, I really couldn’t say myself, beyond noting that unlike the Army Reserve’s 2nd and 7th Psychological Operations Groups, the 4th Psychological Operations Group (Airborne) is indeed part of the United States Army Special Operations Command, as stated on their own website.

The individual I spoke of says that he served as a SpecOp tactical PSYOP soldier and a counter-terrorism, small unit tactics, and urban warfare trainer while in the Army. Could he be lying? Sure, but frankly, so could you, Bear, just like I could be lying about being a lawyer in the various threads that I’ve stated that. I don’t think you are, though, for the simple reasons that (1) you invariably seem to know what you’re talking about and (2) it would be an incredibly stupid lie to make, and an easy one to disprove. If I was on another website and mentioned that a guy I knew from the SDMB who was with the National Guard 20th Special Forces Group said such-and-such, and they came back and said the 20th SFG was a shit outfit and National Guard Special Forces was a REMF joke, you’d find that a little insulting, wouldn’t you?

You’re confusing the issue of soldier vs unit. Not everyone in 20th Special Forces is a Green Beret. Not everyone in a Special Forces Group is an operator.
Even SF has personnel clerks and paper pushers. So if a guy said that he was with a Special Forces or Special Operations Unit, the next question is “What was your job?” Just because a person is part of a unit doesn’t say much about anything. There are pleanty of non-combat, REMF jobs in a Special Forces unit.
I’m sure your buddy isn’t lying about being a SecOps tactical PSYOP soldier (whatever that means). But it’s a lot like saying you’re a “Special Forces Supply Sergeant”… okay, so that means you’re a supply sergeant who happened to get assigned to an SF Battalion. It doesn’t take any extra training or special tactical skills to get assigned there. It doesn’t make the person “Special Forces” though he could get away with telling everyone he was.
Anyway, all I did was agree with another poster. PSYOPS guys… even “Tactical PSYOPS Guys” are not operators. They’re more like multimedia disinformation specialists. It doesn’t make them bad or worthless. It’s as good a job as any in the military. I was just agreeing with the other poster that a PSYOPs soldier is not “just like a Green Beret” or even close. It’s not even similar.

BTW, I haven’t been with 20th for almost three years ^___^