Who cares to debate the events of 9/11/2001 based upon the laws of physics?

[snfaulkner]

@Jay_Jay

Wow … and exactly what bit proves to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that airliners were used as weapons?

He flies airliners for a living. What so you do?

[running_coach]

@Jay_Jay

Air Resistance Formula
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note the V SQUARED in the formula for force required to propel anything through air.**
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also, about that truck/car example, it was intended to demonstrate the fact that
the intensity of any encounter between physical bodies increases with speed,
therefore an airliner traveling at 540 mph and having to displace >3 tons of mass, would by the very nature of the event create a very violent and damaging collision.
in the video of the alleged FLT175 penetrating the south wall of the south tower, where is the demonstration of this intensity?

From here.

This is because the main source of resistance, pushing bike and body through the air, increases exponentially polynomially (thanks to Iain B for the correction!) with speed. That is, if a rider doubles their speed, not only will they ‘hit’ the air molecules in front of them twice as hard, twice as many air molecules must be pushed aside every second.

The result? Drag squares with speed (doubling speed increases drag fourfold).

I’m not a math guy but even I can see that velocity squared is not the entire equation.

[Jay_Jay]

@Skywatcher

What’s to discuss? If there were no planes, more than 150 [tons] of TNT per tower would have to be installed, into many small holes drilled into concrete, to produce the same pulverization seen that day. Where’d all those explosives come from, who placed them (using devices that have been mistaken for gunfire) without being noticed, and how did those explosives survive the fires?

Not even Danny Jowenko, the only professional demolitionist that the “Truth” Movement could find to publicly agree with them, believed that the Towers were brought down by controlled demolition. Because of those fires.

Please see:

9-11 Research: Speed of Fall

.

sources … OK?

[Jay_Jay]

@Czarcasm

Who is willing to listen to the tons of evidence available without dismissing as “fraud” anything that doesn’t support already held beliefs?

you tell me, how is it that an airliner penetrates a skyscraper wall
“like a hot knife through butter”

and how is it that a skyscraper could be seen dropping at the acceleration of gravity
for 2.25 sec and keep its shape as it descends.

additionally a skyscraper that falls at 64% of the acceleration of gravity
resulting in the complete and total destruction of said skyscraper.

who can explain these things?

I reference the early days of the space program where
scientists and engineers were eager to explain to the public at large
how satellites are launched into orbit and why orbits work and all things space.
however NOW we have lots of experts who will give the conclusion that airliners were hijacked and used as weapons, however when pressed for details as to WHY things happened in the order that was observed ( etc… ) there is some sort of deep dark secret magic that only the people with advanced degrees can comprehend and I for one smell something VERY rotten here. Where is the explanation for the events that would otherwise constitute violations of the laws of physics?

[Darren_Garrison]

@Jay_Jay

Please see:
9-11 Research: Speed of Fall

And you really don’t realize that this site in no way whatsoever supports anything that you are claiming? Really?

[Jay_Jay]

@running_coach

From here.

I’m not a math guy but even I can see that velocity squared is not the entire equation.

Do you not get that the power required to move a body through air
increases exponentially as the speed increases linearly?
do you have any other source such as your friendly local professor or
even high school science geek who can tell you this is the way it is.
what?

[Smapti]

@Jay_Jay

Wow … and exactly what bit proves to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that airliners were used as weapons?

The part where literally millions of people, including myself, saw it happen live, either in person or on television and that it was filmed happening from multiple angles

[cochrane]

@Jay_Jay

Do you not get that the power required to move a body through air
increases exponentially as the speed increases linearly?
do you have any other source such as your friendly local professor or
even high school science geek who can tell you this is the way it is.
what?

Do you? If you can’t back up your claims on these forums, don’t expect people to take anything you say seriously.

[Jay_Jay]

@Darren_Garrison

And you really don’t realize that this site in no way whatsoever supports anything that you are claiming? Really?

I don’t care what you allege to support or not support
we NEED to have discussion on this subject because
whole sick & twisted bureaucracies have been created
not to mention wars of aggression and all sorts of really
bad foreign policy created because of the BIG LIE.

This subject matter must not be relegated to TABOO SUBJECT status.

Do you, that is you personally the person reading this, do you sense something
that is simply out of balance about the whole 9/11/2001 scene?
it just doesn’t pass the smell test, in fact it reeks!
you do not need to speculate as to who did it or why, the first thing to get
is the blatant obvious violations of the laws of physics in the official story.

[running_coach]

They lied about the time the collapses took.

This Computer Simulation Explains How the Twin Towers Fell

11 and 13 seconds

[Jay_Jay]

@cochrane

Do you? If you can’t back up your claims on these forums, don’t expect people to take anything you say seriously.

I already cited a source, and there are literally dozens on the web
science homework help in various forms, this is middle school science class stuff.
what is the problem here?

[cochrane]

@Jay_Jay

I already cited a source, and there are literally dozens on the web
science homework help in various forms, this is middle school science class stuff.
what is the problem here?

Since you’re new here, the way it works is, you bring the cites. Don’t expect us to do your work for you. If you can’t, or won’t back up your claims, don’t be surprised when people call them horseshit.

[running_coach]

@Jay_Jay

Do you not get that the power required to move a body through air
increases exponentially as the speed increases linearly?
do you have any other source such as your friendly local professor or
even high school science geek who can tell you this is the way it is.
what?

You were claiming the power required increased exponentially.
You multiplied your wild guess of 1000hp by 1000hp.
HP is not a measure of velocity.

[Jay_Jay]

@running_coach

They lied about the time the collapses took.
https://youtu.be/vzInIjD6nKw?t=200

11 and 13 seconds

However the 64% of the acceleration of gravity is a solid figure and as such is damning evidence that there was foul play at work here. Buildings simply do NOT collapse in this manner, tens of thousands of welds, bolts & joints of all sorts would have had to fail exactly on-time, not too soon or late in order to create the observed result.

[cochrane]

@Jay_Jay

However the 64% of the acceleration of gravity is a solid figure and as such is damning evidence that there was foul play at work here. Buildings simply do NOT collapse in this manner, tens of thousands of welds, bolts & joints of all sorts would have had to fail exactly on-time, not too soon or late in order to create the observed result.

Of course, there was foul play. A group of terrorists who had taken flying lessons hijacked four jet liners and managed to hit three buildings.

[Jay_Jay]

@running_coach

You were claiming the power required increased exponentially.
You multiplied your wild guess of 1000hp by 1000hp.
HP is not a measure of velocity.

Really guys,?

The HP was given as a measure of the POWER required to keep the aircraft in the air level flight steady state speed, doubling the speed, requires the square of the power.

now do you get it?

[Jay_Jay]

@cochrane

Of course, there was foul play. A group of terrorists who had taken flying lessons hijacked four jet liners and managed to hit three buildings.

and you actually believe that an airliner penetrating a skyscraper wall
“like a hot knife through butter” is an accurate depiction of what should happen
if an airliner rammed a skyscraper?

[running_coach]

@Jay_Jay

However the 64% of the acceleration of gravity is a solid figure and as such is damning evidence that there was foul play at work here. Buildings simply do NOT collapse in this manner, tens of thousands of welds, bolts & joints of all sorts would have had to fail exactly on-time, not too soon or late in order to create the observed result.

Those welds, bolts and joints are designed to support static loads, not dynamic.
Once a floor weighing 4500 tons(appx.) starts to fall, nothing can stop it.

[running_coach]

@Jay_Jay

and you actually believe that an airliner penetrating a skyscraper wall
“like a hot knife through butter” is an accurate depiction of what should happen
if an airliner rammed a skyscraper?

You saw the video. You even linked to it. That’s pretty much what happened.

[cochrane]

@Jay_Jay

and you actually believe that an airliner penetrating a skyscraper wall
“like a hot knife through butter” is an accurate depiction of what should happen
if an airliner rammed a skyscraper?

Yes, I do. I’m surprised you don’t. What would you expect them to do, bounce off?