Who is or was the Worst Briton?

Call me unoriginal…
So let’s have at it. Due to the different nature of the UK political system (to that of the USA in the counterpart thread), you can nominate politicians and prime ministers if you feel you must.

Personally, I nominate Oswald Moseley, British facist and leader of the Blackshirts; a politically and personally repugnant British human being.

There are a few kings I could also nominate, but hey, where to start?

Margaret Thatcher if only because she had the power Moseley lacked. The british economy needed changing but not in that gleefully brutal, uncaring fashion that sowed the dragon’s teeth underclass we are now reaping. Before she came to power homeless begging on the street was something shocking. During her reign it became commonplace and unremarked. Totally shameful.

‘There’s no such thing as society’. Not now there isn’t, you evil scum.

Not to mention the cheap sell-off of public property for well below market rates and the destruction of the council house building program by refusing to allow money made through the selling of existing homes to owners to be re-invested in a building program. She was an ideological terrorist.

Rail privatisation.

You could look at a few colonialists, like Cecil Rhodes for starters.

The shameful plotting of war for diamonds and gold, exploitation of local populaces almost amounts to slavery.

The British establishment in South Africa, and company owners would yield a long list of Britains worst.

The Irish are likely to name Oliver Cromwell, who started out with ideals, but changed dramatically over time, to deny things such as democratic principles he originally thought would be a better system of governance that Monarchical rule.

Harol Shipman, convicted of multiple counts of murder and who committed suicide in prison fairly recently, his estimated victim count ranges from 250 to over 500(his killings are so extensive that almost anyone who died whilst he was their medical practioner might have been killed outright or had their oncoming death hastened, as such, authorities can only make educated guesses).

His crimes are particulary terrible in that he killed using the trust patients have in their medical staff, that all his murders were extremely personal things, he had to directly and personally administer the fatal drugs, these are not the faceless spur of the moment or nasty orders given in warfare.

He knew all his victims.

He also stole from them jewellery and tried to alter their wills in his favour, and its the latter that brought him down. Stealing was not his principle motive, it would appear he just liked killing people on a one to one basis.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/caseclosed/shipman.shtml

I think William the Conqueror would be a good candidate. His systematic use of terrorism to try draw his opponents into battle, and his subesquent clearing of districts in Norhtern Engalnd, aka ‘the harrying of the north’.

Its estimated that perhaps 100k died as a result of this one campaign, this was a campaign against any living person in those areas, not simply those capable of bearing arms.

His subsequent reign was bloody and ruthless, both in England and in France. The extent of his atrocities is very wide.

How about ‘Bomber’ Harris?

Aleister Crowley, while probably not the most evil man in Britain, was a bit of a bastard, I’ve heard.

I’d put Aleister Crowley in the ‘extreme eccentric’ catagory.

Cromwell probably gets my vote for the worst Briton.

RE Rhodes as the worst Briton, I’m about to name Edward Mandell House in the Worst American thread. Now- who can tell me the connection?

Edward Teach, aka “Blackbeard” the pirate.

Vortigern.

Since the council house program was significantly Labour gerrymandering - ‘We will build you out’ or somesuch - this was a case of turnabout is fair play.

It’s almost unfair because of England’s Millennium+ of recorded history. Staying strictly to modern times I would second Mosley, or perhaps even Edward VIII (who was quite chummy with the Nazis himself). Profumo comes to mind also, but mainly that was just a sex scandal more than anything else.

Henry Tudor? (VII, not VIII)–he gave us(er, them) the Star Chamber and judicial murder. Also, I believe firmly that he had the Princes killed in tower.

How about Neville Chamberlain–appeasement and all that? (not too up on modern British history so I could be completely wrong).

George Michael.

At least a (dis)honorable mention should go to General Sir Douglas “Machine Guns Are Overrated” Haig, for sacrificing incredible numbers of troops in useless battles in World War I.

Crowning achievement: the Battle of The Somme, July-November 1916.

60,000 British casualties the first day (the most in any battle in history), 420,000 total by the time it was over. Ground gained: 15 km. Strategic advantage: Nil.

Ned Teach? The man of letters and great poet who gave us “sing a song of six pence”? :smiley:

The worst briton for me infact the worst filth from anywhere is somebody or a group of somebodys who get it into their heads that they are all seeing and all knowing ,and that they have to dump these perceived talents on the rest of us by way of witless laws and legislation that it is plain to an idiot is only being done to feed the fantasy they have, that is we need somehow looking after, and every single thing we do or say needs by force of law to be made available to them to ease the paranoia and phsycotic illusions that they all must suffer from and do there best to infect the vulnerable and the gullible with the same poisoness b***

Great britain is not under seige by rampaging teenagers and ten year olds and not every person who takes drugs is liable to go out and burgle anybodys property or terrorise there community with crazy drug induced frenzied behavior,

sorry bout that :smack:

Well, a lot depends on your definition of “Briton.”

Klaus Fuchs, the man who gave the atomic bomb to Joseph Stalin, was born in Germany, but lived in the UK and was ultimately arrested by MI5. Was he a British subject? If so, he’s definitely the worst Briton of all time.

If not, I’d say the worst Briton ever is either professional Holocaust denier David Irving or rat bastard traitor Kim Philby.

Something to do with Rhodes view of trying to take over the entire world, he set up a scholarship to promote his view and House was a beneficiary of it.

You know, I don’t know if House was a Rhodes Scholar, HOWEVER…

Rhodes in one of his wills authorized the founding of the Round Table Society by Lord Alfred Milner. That became the Royal Institute of International Affairs. From 1919-21, the American version was organized by Edward Mandell House and called the Council on Foreign Relations.

Yes, Fuchs became a British citizen during the war. But ‘definitely’ the worst? And holocaust denial ranks higher than actually instigating genocide, as with Cromwell?

How is Harris any different from Curtis LeMay? LeMay ordered the deaths of far more Japanese in the Tokyo firebombings than there were Germans killed in Dresden. Why do people continue to villify Harris while LeMay’s actions warrant hardly a notice?