If it’s not, then I can’t tell you where I got it from. But I can’t rule out the possibility that I heard it somewhere else and subconsciously remembered it.
Bernie Sanders hasn’t accomplished a damn thing in all his years in office. I’m glad to see Mayor Pete beating the snot out of Bernie in fundraising. In fact, I donated again to Mayor Pete after Trump’s despicable speech last night.
Hey, Ryan, I thought you were on the Yang wagon. Decided to grow up and join us moderates? 
I guess it comes to one thing;
If the $15 minimum wage was not a point of focus by Sanders, do you really think Mayor Pete or most of the other candidates would have shifted their position leftwards on the minimum wage? Or would he have just towed the party line and maintained the status quo a little longer?
I was until that debate, I’m throwing it all in with Sanders now.
Just curious. If you’re interested in sharing, what made you decide to switch/choose?
Maybe the fact that Yang never had a chance to talk?
Even if his mic was muted, he lacked any charisma, even Marianne Williamson was better than he was.
The last 8 minutes of this video convinced me to switch to Bernie.
I’ve never taken Yang seriously as a candidate (a bit more so as a social thinker), but there’s no question he was skipped over.
Ah, you’re watching Sam Seder. That explains it.
Thanks for the response. 
Would be nice if Sanders practiced what he preached regarding his own staffers, many of whom don’t seem to be getting $15 an hour themselves:
:smack:Oh well.
From your own link;
Adding
Ryan, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here. By bringing up the “around $13 an hour” pay for the staffers, I don’t imagine you’re trying to argue that $13 an hour is actually the same as $15, so what are you saying? That it’s somehow close enough? Suppose Sanders were to ask Walmart and amazon to pay their workers $15 an hour and they said they’d pay $13–do you think Sanders would agree that was close enough? Do you think he should? Would you accept it? Why? If President Buttigieg were to accept $13, would you feel the same way?
Or do you think that Walmart should pay $15, but it’s okay for Sanders to pay less? If so, what’s your reasoning?
–These really are genuine questions; I’m very curious about why you bolded the $13 an hour part as if it were somehow a Good Thing. Sanders has built a reputation on taking a hard line, $15 means $15, that kind of thing–a reputation that is attractive to quite a few voters. Sounds like you’re saying that the line isn;t actually that strong, that under some circumstances $13 is really A-OK, and I’m wondering how you get there from Sanders’s own rhetoric.
As for the “he probably didn’t know” argument, here’s the thing. Just a few months ago we heard about rampant sexual harassment of female staffers in the Sanders campaign back in 2016, and were told then that the candidate had no idea. If he didn;t know about the pay on top of not knowing about the harassment, we’ve got to begin wondering pretty seriously about the senator’s administrative abilities. That’s twice that he’s hired people whose values don’t seem to align with his, people whose actions have hurt his employees–and twice now that he’s been completely unaware of what’s been going on. It’s one thing to be hands-off, it’s another to be out of touch. --Obviously, “I didn’t know” is better than “I knew and didn;t do anything,” which would mean a) he’s a hypocrite and b) he doesn’t really care about those he employs. But “it is not clear whether Sanders is aware” is not an especially compelling defense, and it is certainly not an ennobling one.
Look, this is not the sort of thing that’s going to kill a campaign, and my post was more a twitting than a pitting–a physician-heal-thyself, a comment about motes and planks, nothing more than that. But it’s not a good look for Sanders or his campaign, and “well, it was pretty close and anyway he didn’t know” doesn’t change that.
Bernie “Glass House” Sanders. :dubious:
First off, it’s not stated that Sanders knew or even knows that this happened, but from the previous citation you provided, why didn’t you provide a highlight of the difference of two dollars which it really was, as opposed to the perception that it was in line with the average minimum wage of around $7 to $8 as it is now?
I didn’t bold the $13 as if it were a good thing, that’s the supposition you made from what I replied back with. My bolding was to highlight the difference. Why did I have to highlight the actual amount, where as you left it to other readers to figure it out for themselves? Shouldn’t you have just quoted the amount first? Because without reading the link people are not going to make the jump that they’re earning $13 an hour, they’re going to assume they’re making, as I said before, $7 or $8 an hour.
Oh and to make note;
So we’ve got him paying interns, unionising his workforce and putting money where his mouth is, what’s Pete done?
This is kind of a silly argument, sure the buck stops with Sanders, one of the victims did not come forward until the latter half of 2018, and Sanders put out an apology in January 2019. So he did deal with it once it came to light.
Well I guess it is a compelling defense when at least one serious case of harrassment doesn’t come out until late last year.
Speaking of ennobling defense, would you like to explain why Mayor Pete said ‘All lives matter’ Or his handling of the whole fiasco with South Bends police department?
Whether he knew about it or not, it still looks bad for him. He’s the candidate; it’s his responsibility to know how his campaign is being run.
I’m sure it’ll all work out.
I’m not a Sanders supporter, but I don’t see this as much of an issue. Sanders can be for a $15 minimum wage and still make an economic decision, based on current rules, to pay someone short of that.
That depends on what is meant by the “current rules”. If Sanders argues that it is legal to pay someone less than $15 per hour currently, that is correct but misses the point.
Sanders (presumably) believes that a $15 minimum wage is good economic policy, and the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. If that is the case, then he should be almost literally putting his money where his mouth is, and showing us all how much better off, overall, we would be by implementing a $15 MW. Since he is not doing that, that implies pretty strongly that there are cases where, for the employer, the benefits of $15 an hour do not outweigh the disadvantages. And I don’t think that’s a discussion he wants.
Once anyone, especially the proposer of a $15 MW, admits “I can’t afford to pay my people $15 an hour”, it leads inescapably to “what about all the other people who can’t afford to pay $15 an hour? Why should you be exempt?”
Fair’s fair. If less than $15 an hour is screwing over your employees, then don’t do it. And especially don’t do it in the context of a lot of complaining about how the US economy is leaving the little man in the dust, and how a $15 MW will pay for itself, etc.
Regards,
Shodan
This thread is about Pete Buttigieg.