Who is Pete Buttigieg?

He’s been picked up by the press. That’s a splash for me.

How?

Near as I can tell, Pence became VP in January of ‘17 after he was a Governor from January of ‘13 to January of ‘17, after he was a Congressman from January of ‘01 to January of ‘13. Near as I can tell, Buttigieg was a teen who was still in college in January of ‘01; isn’t Pence ahead even without Trump’s years as president?

He taught himself Norwegian because the other books by a Norwegian author he liked hadn’t been translated. If that alone doesn’t make him the opposite of Donald Trump, who never bothered to read the books that he supposedly wrote in the language that he supposedly speaks, then I don’t know what could.

That’s just silly.

Remember that Morning Consult poll from last week that I linked to earlier? They asked a favorable/unfavorable question of Democratic primary voters about 16 Dem candidates. Guess who’s doing the worst in the, “Never heard of,” department.

He may have made a splash for you, but every other candidate has made a bigger splash.


Candidate		Never heard of
Pete Buttigieg		62%
John Hickenlooper	59%
Jay Inslee		59%
Steve Bullock		56%
Tulsi Gabbard		52%
John Delaney		47%
Terry McAuliffe		46%
Amy Klobuchar		38%
Julian Castro		36%
Kirsten Gillibrand	31%
Beto O'Rourke		30%
Cory Booker		25%
Kamala Harris		21%
Elizabeth Warren	11%
Joe Biden		3%
Bernie Sanders		2%

The accurate quote is more executive experience. Pete is only counting Pence’s time as Governor.

And the BBC. And the Guardian.

Anyway, the profound ignorance of the American people is well-attested. After all, they elected Trump.

Meh. South Bend is a historically blue collar, union-first type rust belt city that has a strong Democratic history. And as a Catholic school, Notre Dame has also been historically progressive. It’s conservative only as it relates to your average public university - it’s no Ann Arbor or Bloomington.

And you have managed to miss the point of my post. Yeah, he’s gay. Got it.

Young. Rhodes scholar. Decorated veteran of the war in Afghanistan. Charismatic and able to hold people’s attention. Born and raised in the Midwest. Gets high marks from business groups such as the Chamber of Commerce. Very popular with constituents in a deeply GOP state. Who else running as a Democrat does this apply to?

Those are the things that make him appealing to me. And yeah, being a middle aged gay man the fact he is gay as well is something I appreciate. But it isn’t the main thing I like about him.

Take a few minutes and watch an interview with him and let us know what you think. I doubt he stands a chance of getting the nomination or being elected President in 2020. However, if he manages to get into the debates I expect to see his popularity grow and who knows where that could go. He simply has a quality that I feel people will be drawn toward. At a minimum I expect him to be a serious voice of the party in the future.

Pot, meet kettle. coughBrexitcough

As has been already noted, Buttigieg comes across very well – well-spoken, smart, charismatic, but also self-effacing. And, in reading about him, I see that, while he hasn’t served in elected office other than the mayorship, he served in Naval Intelligence, as well as some work for William Cohen’s consulting firm, and working on John Kerry’s presidential campaign as a policy specialist. So, i don’t necessarily think that his experience level is too thin, even if he’s never been in Congress.

He’s made appearances on a lot of talk shows and news shows here in the U.S. in recent weeks, but, as noted, his big challenge is that he’s starting with extremely low name recognition (much less voters knowing much about him).

It’s still early in the campaign, but with so many better-known candidates already in the race, including, now, Beto O’Rourke, who probably is going to wind up occupying a similar space on voters’ perceptual maps (i.e., “smart charismatic energetic white moderate”), he faces a tremendous uphill battle just to make his presence known.

Buttigieg only has more executive experience than Pence if you’re just counting total number of years of any sort of executive experience. But experience as a mayor of a middling-sized town is not the same thing as experience as a governor. A more reasonable measure might be number of year-constituents, multiplying the time by the population. The mayor of a big city like New York or Chicago could compete here (either’s population is greater than Arkansas’, for instance, but governor of Arkansas was a sufficient qualification for the Presidency), but South Bend?

And even that still isn’t a completely fair comparison, because a mayor of even the biggest cities is still subordinate in some degree to that state’s governor, but a governor isn’t subordinate to anyone.

Agreed.

I watched his “Meet Pete” video, and an interview with Colbert.

He’s very smart and articulate, but he also looks very young, even for 37 (which is young in presidential politics even if you don’t look young for your age), and has a weak chin. Seems like the kind of guy who ought to aim for a career as an appointed official in Democratic administrations, something like that.

Stated like a classic geniophobe. There are therapies available for that. :smiley:

And as to his youth, pretty sure concerns about that will change over the next few years.

A weak chin? A WEAK CHIN?! Oh my GOD, are you telling me…

…that he has…

…a…

WEAK CHIN?!?!?!?!

This is finally the break that the Chaffee campaign has been waiting for!

I’d say a successful mayor is much better than any president we have had in a long time. As a mayor, your constituents can easily escape to surrounding counties without much change to their lives. You cannot print money or go into tremendous debt.

As president, in most cases, the only way people can escape is through a drastic life change. There are little constraints beyond politics, and usually no real constraints on major issues.

As a mayor you must satisfy the pols and the people or else your town or city will see ruin pretty quickly. Most towns and cities are also diverse economically and socially. As president you can travel the US talking to the same people and cobble together a plurality (Hi Trump). As mayor, you may be forced to deal with people who are, gasp, different. Your press as mayor will be less alternately fawning or hyperbolic. You actually need to have real dialogues.

Governors are a little different and it depends on the state, but yes, they must be better than presidents as well.

That’s funny coming from someone that just made an ass out of themselves regarding Chicago.

Tell me, do you know about equivalent cities in other countries? Thought not.

At least I am able to admit my ignorance and learn from education.

He does have a little bit of the “high school science club” look to him. Then again, the current occupant of the office has a double chin, an elaborately bizarre combover hairstyle, and what appears to be a spray-on skin tone that doesn’t occur in nature.

So, looks don’t necessarily preclude electoral success. :slight_smile:

I was going to say he came from a prominent Falconer family but not because I don’t know what or where Malta is but because I have a juvenile sense of humor.

I was also thinking that if you said his name 3 times it would summon him but again, same reason.

In seriousness I do want to learn more about him as everything I’ve heard about him seems positive.

Yeah, Trump is pretty ugly at this point. But he was once a pretty handsome guy, and I think that was still fairly true when his show “The Apprentice” started. People tend to sort of give people (or at least men) credit for that, I think.

I’d add that “Trump won, so let’s emulate his success” arguments don’t fly with me. For one, he’s not a Democrat, and we can’t just use the same playbook. For two, he lost the popular vote by three million and won the EC thanks to a GOP skew and some very narrow wins in just the right states. For three, he’s the most consistently unpopular president since such things began to be polled nearly a century ago.