I thought I’d killed this thread.
I second Roger Staubach. Won the Heisman in his junior year. Then had to pull four years in the Navy before joining Dallas at the tender young age of 27. The rest is history.
nick112, once again I have to point out that Danny Wuerffel was a product of the system!
He piled up those gaudy numbers with All-American receivers and the Fun N’ Gun. He won the Heisman his senior year along with all those other awards. I don’t know if he won awards any other years.
[To make sure that you don’t try to make the same statement about how Frazier was a product of the system (yes, NU had a good line), I would say that Frazier’s running skills were much better than Wuerffel’s passing (DW has a weak arm).]
Your case still doesn’t hold up though. The title is “greatest College quarterback of all time,” now do you want that to mean “over four years” or “best season”? If you just want best season then your case for Wuerffel would improve, but you’d still be wrong.
Frazier started every bowl game in his career (3 Orange, 1 Fiesta). He started (did everything in his power and should’ve won) the National Championship game as a true sophomore. He then went on to lead the Huskers to National Championships the next two years (94, 95).
Against Wuerffel’s Gators he had what I think has got to be one of the greatest runs ever. He broke 7 Gator tackles on a 70+ yard run for a TD.
I’m not familiar enough with Gator football, but I highly doubt that Wuerffel matches up with Frazier’s consistentcy and all-time greatness.
I’m also going to point out again that Wuerffel didn’t win his one National Championship until Frazier had graduated.
Dignan-
Wuerfel is as mush a product of the systme as is Frazier. And Frazier is a better runner than weurful is a passer? Both are great at what they had to do. A weak arm doesnt make you bad, he was accurate and smart, and cool as a cucumber under pressure. And Spurrier’s fun and gun isnt like Hal Mumme’s “Air Raid” at UK, it is almost all intermediate to deep passes, no little screens that gave Tim Couch such great numbers. He was a great passer, but he did have help with all his all american recievers. But frazier had the best and biggets line in the country, and wasnt the main feature on the offense. The defence was keyed on Lawrence Phillips, so he was freed up to run wild.
And you state that DW didnt win a title until Frazier left? so does that mena Charlie ward is better than frazier?
If I were pick a QB in college, it would have to be
(dum-dum-dum)
Steve McNair
He threw for over 16,000 yards in Division I-AA ball and I believe he led Alcorn State to a National Title.
If you are going to pick a good quarterback, try not limiting the choices to just Division I. Look at Division I-AA, II, III and beyond. It seems to me that it would be unfair to exclude the smaller divisions.
kenny777- Mcnair did not win a National title. The year he left, they were beat in the Quarter or Semi-finals by Youngstown State.
Maybe intermediate and deep, but like Heupel Wuerffel greatly benefitted from his receivers (more so than Frazier from his line).
Phillips was also suspended for most of the 95 season.
Then what happened in the 96 Fiesta Bowl?
Nice try. It doesn’t mean that, that game (93 Orange Bowl when they were head to head) came down to the last play. Frazier got the team into FG range under intense pressure (especially for a sophomore).
To silence the McNair crowd . . . He was a very good QB, but you need to face the facts that the competition he faced wasn’t anywhere near what he would’ve faced at a Div-I school. I think that, unfortunately, that disqualifies him.
The truth is, the best of the best, the cream of the crop, the big dogs play Div-I.
Wuerfell did benifit from his recievers, buthe had to be good enough to get it to them.