Agreed.
I’m just listening to the audiobook, as it happens, with Joe Mantegna (unavoidably sometimes sounding like Fat Tony from The Simpsons) narrating. There’s reference to scaring “embryo traitors” by killing a turncoat in a very public, noticeable way. Is “embryo” in that context the same as “would-be” or “prospective,” or does it have some other meaning in Mafia slang?
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no you have it right … one of the reasons they left paulie in the car was to let anyone with a beef know that helping out the other side was a bad thing … Which makes me wonder WTF was carlo thinking …
I think the don also knew who set up sonny but couldn’t kill carlo because 1 him and connie had kids and he had a thing about kids growing up with out a father and 2 he made the promise in the sit down not to look for him because he already knew
It’s an interesting question. There were several occasions when Vito passed on some act of vengeance and Michael carried it out. The question is did this make Vito stronger than Michael or Michael stronger than Vito?
On the one hand you can argue that Vito was stronger because he didn’t feel he had to prove himself like Michael did. Vito only killed people when he thought it was justified; he didn’t care what other people thought. The fact that Michael worried that other people would see him as weak was itself a sign of weakness. Michael felt the need to prove himself in a way that Vito didn’t.
On the other hand, several people attacked Vito. Arguably if he had been more ruthless, they would have been afraid to make those attacks. Vito himself admitted there were times when the other families saw the Corleone family was weak. Michael’s ruthlessness was necessary to make other people respect and fear the Corleones and keep them safe from attacks.
I don’t think there is a question of who’s stronger in that sense because everything from the don’s conversation with Tom after he learns of Michael’s involvement is a trap. Vito forswearing vengeance is a strategic move that gets Michael home so he can lead the family once Vito is gone.
the don even says at one point " you guys do what you need to do" hes old the younger breed doesn’t listen to guys like him anymore…
Maybe it’s a The King Is Dead, Long Live The King scenario?
This is the story of Don Corleone, the politically-connected head of a crime syndicate. People owe him favors. People ask him for favors. People get blackmailed on his orders. People get killed on his orders. People get killed by him, personally, if the need arises. People get offered bribes by him – and, often enough, take 'em, since the alternative is all that other stuff I was just talking about. He has money and foot soldiers and a damn fine consigliere, and while he wants the family business to go legitimate he can never seem to manage it – in part because folks keep trying to kill him.
In a way, you could say it’s the story of the job.
I watched both movies for the first time this year.
Both are the story of how a younger brother seizes power.
Both movies are about the arc of the family. Vito builds the family up and Micheal tears the family down. The twist is that the way Vito builds the family up makes it inevitable that Michael will tear it down.
It’s the same-old same-old. In order to protect your family you have to kill a couple of them.
If it’s not clear in the movie (although it is to me) check the novel. The final scene is different from the the movie’s ending.
Scene: Michael’s wife Kay, now a convert to Catholicism, has gone to church.
Anyone?
Yes, it’s “would be” or “prospective.” It was to send a message to anyone who might be getting ideas. Just like Barney Fife says, ya gotta nip it in the bud. NIP IT!
As far as I know, it’s not mafia slang.
OK, thanks. I might’ve said “embryonic” rather than “embryo,” in that context.
I like this. After all, the movie is titled, “The Godfather.” Not, “Vito Corleone” or “Michael Corleone.”
Godfather fans will appreciate the answer to our latest round of Botticelli (posts 88 to 149 here): http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=843551&page=2
Incidentally, is there any real-world analogue to the Bocchicchio clan, who serve as mediators and hostages-for-hire in The Godfather?: Bocchicchio clan | The Godfather Wiki | Fandom
IIRC, Jimmy Breslin also had hostages-for-hire in his book The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight, his novel (very) loosely based on real-life Mafiosi Joey Gallo…