Who is the oldest probably real person we know the name of?

We still know of him from the Thagomizer. Poor Thag.

If it’s the same Thag as gave his name to the Thagomizer, yoou should let the guys at the Creation Science Museum know! :wink:

Presumably Narmer’s mum (or should that be mummy?) was older than him.

Well, supposedly Sekhem Ka is predecessor to Narmer and has a definate Serekh (royal name carved on several artifacts).

So while Scorpion I and Narmer may be the same, for Sekhem Ka "He is the earliest known Egyptian king with a serekh, inscribed on a number of artefacts "

I see what you did there. :wink:

But I think it goes, “I, Narvi, made them*. Celebrimbor of Hollin drew these signs.”

*-Them being the actual doors, I think.

Certainly, but not as well attested in terms of archaeological evidence; it depends on where you draw the line at being proven to exist as opposed to mythological. I think there are several predecessor Egyptian kings even more ancient whose names are known from king-lists and the like.

This one is a pretty good candadate for oldest of all. His immediate predecessor may also be considered, but as it says, he’s not as well attested.

From the tone of the responses I gather the thread is about the person most distant from present day whose name we can be sure of.

When I first saw the title I was sure it had to do with Oldest people or List of the verified oldest people or even The Oldest Human Beings

I just thought the links might be amusing to anyone not familiar with them.

Slight hijack, but - what about flipping the question around a bit?

Do we think there’s anyone alive now whose name and needs will be remembered three thousand years hence?

I nominate a girl I dated back in high school. She was really needy. :smiley:

Damnit! Deeds! Not needs! Deeds!

I can type, honest.

Barring some kind of tremendous global catastrophe, I think there will probably be lots of archival records surviving from now to three thousand years hence, so my answer would be “yes, probably billions or at least millions”.

If what you’re asking is whether there’s any contemporary individual whose name will be popularly known at that time, I’m sure there are several, but I can’t really guess who they are.

Slightly relevant question. Were any cave drawings ever discovered depicting human forms?
I only recall pictures of animals.

Maybe something like Glug wuz here! 12,000 bc

In my experience, everyone who asks that is assuming, implicitly or explicitly, that something is going to happen to destroy most recorded history. Why, I have no idea: It made no sense during the Cold War and it makes even less sense now. It seems obvious enough that anything that destroys civilization at this point would be (have to be!) strong enough to destroy not only all human life, but most chordate life on this planet.

I found this interesting - Serekh with king Narmer’s name on it, found in Israel:

http://www.anthro.ucsd.edu/~tlevy/Archaeology_in_the_Levant/Nahal_Tillah_Publications.html

I can’t give you Joe the Date Trader, but the earliest non-royal person is probably Imhotep, builder of the first Egyptian pyramid. Per his Wikipedia entry he was:

Which certainly sheds light on Bronze Age social structure, to say the least. One almost gets the impression that, in 2650 BC, the Egyptians were afraid they might lose the ability to hammer nails and make pots, if this knowledge wasn’t carefully preserved and the practitioners of these crafts duly respected.

Hell yes, lots of them. Usually they were shown hunting.
http://coquinadaily.com/daily/imagesdaily/080305/cave%20paintings/a172lascaux1.jpg

Also, as mentioned in an earlier post, the artist woujld often sign his work with a handprint.

Thank you. Truly fascinating! :slight_smile:

I assume you mean somewhat popularly known and not known just to historians or say scientists working in some field. Given that Aristotle is widely known now even though much of his science is now considered wrong, I’d say that Einstein will probably be known in 3000 years.

And yes I know Aristotle lived less than 2500 years ago not 3000 and that Einstein is dead. I suspect some currently living scientist will probably be known, but no name stands out so much right now as his.

Then, of course, somebody may well have an award, or more likely I think, a unit of measure named after them. Names like Watt, Ampere, Faraday, etc. may well last even if people popularly have no idea whom they honor.

I wasn’t assuming that, actually. But records get lost or destroyed for all sorts of non-major-disaster reasons. Books take up space that need to be used for new books, so they get discarded. Files get backed up in old formats, and no one bothers converting them to modern media while it can still be done cheaply, so those records become inaccessible. Authoritarian states deliberately purge records. And so on and so on - none of it makes a huge dent all at once, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that even in the best-case scenario, humanity’s memory of the 21st century in three thousand years will be decidedly spotty.