I submit three possible explanations:
I choose “1.” But I recognize “2.” is more fun and more satisfying to the naive and paranoid.
Enjoy.
In fact, the Russians did try using a “knockout” gas in a hostage situation. Once. When Chechen terrorists took over a Moscow theater in 2002, the FSB tried gassing the place with an unknown agent - probably a fentanyl derivative. RFE/RL has a lengthy article on the incident - I haven’t read it, but RFE/RL is always excellent, so I’m sure it provides a good overview: Corruption Watch: December 18, 2003
Thing is - over thirty hostagesdied from exposure to this gas, nearly all the hostages who died in this incident overall. And this wasn’t done by some random, shadowing conspiracy, but by law-enforcement officers who genuinely, sincerely were doing everything they could to get all the hostages out safely. They failed, badly.
If the OP genuinely believes that conspirators are following him to gas him for shits and giggles, he should get help.
Hmmm, first post, just registered? I love threads like this. I don’t think we’ll ever get to the epic-ness of the theory of European-Royals-are-Black guy, but who knows what’ll happen if/when the OP comes back.
I would also like to know why you think you were gassed. Was any of your stuff taken? WHY are they gassing you? That is the most important question. Because I highly doubt anyone would take that much effort/spend that much money unless there was something in it for them.
We are not talking here about anesthetising people. To anesthetise is to use one of the modern, volatile agents, that effectively work with a rapid onset and offset to bring people into a state of stupour somewhere between comma and unconscious. These agents are expensive, difficult to obtain and wouldn’t render someone asleep for a long period of time, except for administering them constantly over a given period. I know all about the action and biochemical properties of these agents. Trust me I wasn’t medically anesthetised and never said that I was.
What I did say was that I was in a deep slumber, that slumber is most likely explained by exposure to a gas. We are talking about making already sleepy people sleep deeper, not so that you can perform an operation on them!!! You do not need to give one so much such that they die. Look up joji obara. He gassed nearly 1000 people. Many lived.
However, if your aim is to anethetise, sure, you better be an anesthetist!!!
So…are your kidneys missing? Was an operation performed on you?
We are not talking here about anesthetising people or gassing stadiums of people. To anesthetise is to use one of the modern, volatile agents, that effectively work with a rapid onset and offset to bring people into a state of stupour somewhere between comma and unconscious. These agents are expensive, difficult to obtain and wouldn’t render someone asleep for a long period of time, except for administering them constantly over a given period. I know all about the action and biochemical properties of these agents. Trust me I wasn’t medically anesthetised and never said that I was.
What I did say was that I was in a deep slumber, that slumber is most likely explained by exposure to a gas. We are talking about making already sleepy people sleep deeper, not so that you can perform an operation on them!!! You do not need to give one so much such that they die. Look up joji obara. He gassed nearly 1000 people. Many lived.
However, if your aim is to anethetise, sure, you better be an anesthetist!!!
Who knows that their motive was, they could have come in to steal (which they wouldn’t have found much to take) or to violate or do whatever else they wanted in their concocted plan. We wouldn’t know, we were knocked out fast. All I’m saying is that predators are predators and they have well thought out and premeditated plans that they implement, that’s why they do whatever it is that they do. The possibilities are endless, but I’d rather not think of them or try, like some have written here, to somehow rationalise and justify what they would or wouldn’t do….criminals are criminals.
DID THEY STEAL FROM YOU? You can’t just assume they drugged you without reason! What reason would they have had?
Exposure to carbon monoxide gas in healthy adults at low level concentrations causes fatigue as the chief symptom. In higher doses, it leads to more serious effects such as headaches, dizziness, nausea, and vomiting and in even higher concentrations, asphyxiation and death. It’s a very real possibility, that there was a low level carbon monoxide leak. There was a water heater system in place and the boiler may have been faulty. That, combined with fatigued individuals would explain a once off sleep in for both partners of such a long duration. And then on other two days of our stay we would have been more immune to the effects of a low level carbon monoxide leak because we were more rested. Finally, carbon monoxide explains the absence of a smell, odour, stinging eyes or a sore throat, as reported by so many people who have been exposed to industrial solvents or specific anaesthetic agents.
Thanks for your insight.
Did you wake up in the Village? What number are you?
To have a reason means to have evidence of something that took place which can be used specifically to say hey, they entered and took my passport??? If they don’t find what they’re looking for, why would they take anything??? And if they don’t take anything, does that mean nothing happened?? duh…
therefore, if you’re knocked out what would you know???
First of all, I’d like to say, the place we stayed at on the night of question wasn’t you typical hotel – that most are thinking about, with lots of rooms, bell boys, restaurants, and lots of people indiscriminately going about in the foyer and other common areas doing their activities without bringing attention to themselves. It was a chateau type residence with only 11 rooms. Not much by way of common areas and there was plenty of opportunity for the owner and other staff to know you and your whereabouts quite well and other things which I will discuss in further detail below.
The security was patchy to say the least. If there was sufficient security in place I wouldn’t have any other explanation for the long duration of sleep other than, jet lag – and at the very most, the combination of carbon monoxide gas, other than that, I would totally accept it – I am a completely rational person. However, there was no deadlock to the door or chain and bolt – none at all – just the electronic slip card system. It was easy for anyone with access to a master slip card to have accessed the room and leave no trace of it, whatsoever (important to understand here that if you have done the chain and bolt, people can’t get in, if they do, it leaves a sign of tampering the next day!!). So to answer your question no, there was no sign of tampering or door left open the following day; hence, if anyone came through that night it was an inside job or someone who found their way to the master slip card. The point here I want to stress for you is that it was more than possible for someone to have entered our room, without leaving such evidence of its occurrence, in the absence of better security measures. Let this be a lesson to you all, to only sleep in hotel rooms with better security. Then you know what happened and what didn’t happen.
Therefore, all the logistics of the situation point to someone who clearly has an interest in not leaving any signs or evidence of their activities. Who would be such a person? Clearly the operators of the hotel or staff – that is, an inside job. Their motive? I dunno, could be anything, they could have been looking for valuables such as watches or jewellery, in this case they would have come in to steal. Yet, I tell you, we had no valuables with us other than things that could be traced back to us such as credit cards and passports – no cash, no jewellery etc. Anyone that wishes to leave no trace back to the original owners on them doesn’t take a credit card or passport. Hence, once again why I iterate that this is an inside job. The same has been noted in many gassings throughout Europe, they leave things that can be traced and only take cash and jewellery. Finally, who knows that their motive was, they could have come in to violate or do whatever else they wanted in their concocted plan. We wouldn’t know, we were knocked out fast. All I’m saying is that predators are predators and they have well thought out and premeditated plans that they implement, that’s why they do whatever it is that they do. The possibilities are endless, but I’d rather not think of them or try, like some have written here, to somehow rationalise and justify what they would or wouldn’t do….criminals are criminals.
All in all, what I am saying is, I am stretched to find a better explanation. We don’t sleep 15.5 hours when we travel eastward and cross 5 time zones and stay up for over 20 hours. The chances of it suddenly happening out of the blue, are very low, not saying it can’t happen, but are very low. I think the period of sleep and the nature of its precision in terms of waking up at the same time, are better explained by the action of a substance that was introduce, I believe that substance to be a gas. Maybe there was a carbon monoxide leak? That is just as plausible, I’m just not sold on the fact that its only jet lag, given our previous sleeping habits and travel.
Finally, I don’t think there would be any physical evidence of any violation, particularly when one wants to evade detection – why would they be stupid enough to leave evidence that something happened?? Its not in their interest to bring unwarranted attention to themselves. It’s the perfect plan to gas someone, do it when they arrive from a flight to Europe from North America and give them only one other explanation, that being, jet lagged. When you want to continue whatever criminal activity it is that you are doing, you leave as little evidence as possible that you were ever there to being with!
I am not asking for anyone to agree with me here and I think everyone’s suggestions have been well thought out and are very logical and I appreciate that people have taken the time to consider it. However, on the whole, I think given the nature of it and the details of the circumstances, I think it cannot be explained beyond reasonable doubt to be just jet lag. I think the jury is out and I guess I will never really know for absolute sure what happened that night – only just be probable as to what most likely happened or could have happened
Bolding mine. You really think that being gassed by persons unknown in a hotel room is the likeliest explanation for what happened to you? You were tired and jet-lagged and you slept deeply and for a longer than normal time. Does that really strike you as so unusual that it requires such a preposterous explanation?
No, it’s not. I know thinking so makes you feel special, but you were not gassed.
Let me see if I understand your position. You took a rather long flight from the West Coast to Europe where you were sitting a small uncomfortable seat where you dozed, but probably didn’t get a good night’s sleep. You arrived in your destination, stayed up a bit, and then you and your partner crashed. You awoke after 15 or 16 hours sleep and nothing was missing from your room, there were no signs that anything was disturbed and there was no sign of entry.
I think that you were very tired and crashed. It happens to me all the time when I take an overnight flight especially when I travel to Europe. I think it is far more likely than being gassed by some mysterious person who didn’t take anything and didn’t leave any evidence. You didn’t see any indication that someone rifled through your luggage? Nothing was missing? You didn’t feel any aftereffects other than those that come from sleeping 16 hours?
Think about it. A gas that could knock you out that well with no real after effects, and a thief that could go through your items that well so that you couldn’t really know for sure that he was there, wouldn’t be robbing hotel rooms, he would be engaging in some other sort of more lucrative crime.
Its one thing for one person to have a specific sleeping pattern. But two people, to behave in the exact same fashion, not likely! You don’t wake up at exactly the same time.
I’m sure you’ve traveled with a partner and found one at least woke up at 8am or the other at 3am, briefly, to go to the toilet to do at least something as little as toss and turn.
For both persons, it just sounds fishy to me.
It still doesn’t say beyond reasonable doubt that there was no gas involved.
Here is what I am saying.
Generally most crimes are crimes of opportunity. The average criminal is not really a smart person; he sees a random purse or an unlocked door, and strals. He breaks into a building where he knows there will be money.
So there isn’t a random person gassing random people. I agree with you on this one. If it’s a job, it’s an inside job.
You are saying, essentially, that the hotel constantly gasses their visitors and enters the rooms and steals things. I am asking you, why would they do it unless they knew you had something? It would be stupid beyond belief to gas everyone. Especially since they have keys to everyone’s rooms. Wouldn’t it just be easier to wait until you are gone, enter your room, and take what they wanted?
Gassing leaves a trail. A trail of purchasing the gas, of installing special vents (!) and of administering it. And no, generally predator’s plans are NOT that well-thought out.
Not to mention the same dosage doesn’t work on everyone, I know. You might have one person who doesn’t fall asleep at all, and you might have a dead body in the next room.
Yes, these are all valid points, however, such substances are not time dependent, they are dose dependent. There is a very real difference.
This is all based on biochemistry. Ultimately, you feel sick from exposure, because the actual agent itself causes you to be sick. e.g. Ether causes a sore throat and irritation to the nasal passages. Regardless of how long you are exposed to it, its all dose dependent.
therefore, to knock me out is one thing, to make sleep deeper and not resist any form of physical attack or otherwise )e.g. stealing etc) is a real possibility, without the symptoms of a high concentration exposure upon waking.
In general I have found that I sleep very deeply in a hotel room because of the heavy, light blocking curtains and the exhaustion of traveling. Sixteen hours of sleep after a long trip overseas? Completely plausible. Hell, my son can sleep 12 hours without any reason!
ETA: Your OP challenged us to put forward rational and logical explanations other than gas exposure. I think we’ve more than satisfied your request. If you choose to not believe those explanations, for your own reasons, is up to you.