You’re lucky there wasn’t a fan on in the room at the time.
After carefully reading everything in this thread, I have to say there’s more evidence for the unicorn than the gassing.
Unicorns make you oversleep too?
I really love that waking up at the same time is being given as evidence of gassing. It’s actually one of the strongest evidences *against *it, unless these two people are the same weight, build, gender, age, etc.
No, didn’t you read? They did it just in case the OP had something valuable. Because they do it to all their guests! JUST IN CASE.
And HorseLoverFat, you are also wrong, wrong, wrong. A hose under the door? Preposterous! Nope, these wily people came in and put a handkerchief over the OP’s face and made him breathe in. Because I never wake up when someone puts a firm hand over my mouth.
/sarcasm
No, not a horse, a unicorn. Of *course *a horse is preposterous–you would have *seen *a horse.
It strongly suggests that the sun rose at exactly the same time for both of them, and if that’s not evidence of a conspiracy, then I don’t know what is.
Dear OP: There are two possible answers. One is that you have been subjected to a dastardly plot. The other is that you are somewhat disconnected from reality. Before you assume the former, perhaps you should consider consulting a professional to rule out the latter.
Damn it, I meant to say something about that. You’re right. He is talking about gassing a stranger, sight unseen, and not giving a precise dose based on the victim’s specifications. I think Welltravelled has seen too many movies where the hero gets knocked out by gas grenades.
I’s like to hear the traveling companion’s opinion on the matter. I suspect they’ve forbidden further discussion of the topic which is what sent op our way.
No evidence is not evidence. Since you cannot supply any, then you explanation is wrong. Simple as that.
You are Number 6.
Be seeing you!
Welltraveled, you have been teased quite a bit in this thread. If you did any reading here before you registered and started the thread, you probably expected that. If this is all a rude surprise to you, I’m sorry. Here is my gentle version of why no one seems to think you were gassed. I will be freely generalizing and speaking for others.
Everything that happened to you and your partner falls well within the range of the expected and actual experiences of every single person who has looked at the thread except for you. That is not to say that everyone responds to time zone change and tiredness exactly the same way, or the same way every time. Sometimes, jet lag makes it difficult for me to sleep. Sometimes, I sleep round the clock. But sleeping for 16 hours sounds normal to everyone but you. So does the two of you waking up at the same time. These two perfectly ordinary things are being offered by you as your only evidence that something really, really extraordinary happened. There’s just no way that is going to get you anywhere.
I get angry and defensive when sleep talking because I start to wake up just a little bit when questioned and nothing makes sense and I get mad. My boyfriend thinks I have an alternate personality he calls Rabbit who’s a South American child soldier in a not too distant future. You’d have to ask him about Rabbit, who frightens him, because obviously I’ve never met her.
Wow. Per that, I court death all the time. I pretty much always just leave the fan on in my apartment because it gets so hot and stuffy if it’s off.
Are you and your fan of Korean origin? If not, I think you are safe.
The Times Article:
*The court documents say that Obara met Donna in March 1996 at a club in Roppongi, and introduced himself as “Kazu” (he had a roster of pseudonyms, including “Yuji” and “Koji”). He took her to his apartment in the seaside town of Zushi, south of Tokyo, and gave her a drink which he described as “a very rare herb wine from the Philippines”. After one sip she fell unconscious. When she had come to, feeling dizzy, nauseous and lethargic, Obara told her that she had passed out after drinking a bottle of vodka. Five years later, after Obara’s arrest, the police found a large number of home videos of the suspect having sex with unconscious women, foreign and Japanese. Among them was Donna.
According to the prosecution, he took her to his bedroom, removed her trousers and underwear, and raped her in front of his video camera; Obara appeared in many of the videos naked, or wearing a Zorro mask.
To ensure the women’s compliance, the prosecution alleges, he pressed over their faces a rag soaked in chloroform, a poison which damages the liver. In 1992, an Australian woman named Carita Ridgway fell unconscious and died of liver failure a few days after being raped by Obara. With remarkable composure, Obara checked her into hospital, consoled her distraught parents and succeeded in convincing the doctors that her illness had been caused by hepatitis and a bad oyster. *
So the most damning evidence at the trial was that he drugged them and then chloroformed them with a cloth over the face - and in fact, one other victim died of liver failure from chloroform. Not exactly an undectable stealth method using gas.
There was a case in Saskatchewan years ago, of a doctor who molested his stepdaughter. In that case, she woke up to being given a needle by him. She remembers that. If a doctor can’t reliably find a way to knock a sleeping someone out without poking them with a needle, I doubt our amateur burglar would either.
(The interesting bit was that he drew a large sample of blood from a patient; when the police wanted a blood sample, he had inserted a tube of the blood under the skin of his arm; he said “here’ I’ll do it” took the neeedle from the nurse and drew a sample himself. When they wanted a second sample a year later, he tried the same trick but the blood “didn’t look right”, it was almost black, so the police officer took the sample himself of real blood and the guy was convicted. A guy that clever would have found a good knockout gas if there was one.)
I recall reading the same thing about the typical Hollywood “knock them out with a blow to the head”. Unless the person sustains severe head trauma, a blow will only knock them out for a minute or two. More likely, a good whack is likely to elicit an “Ow! That hurt!” not some limp bodies lying aorund for the rest for the scene.
Inflicting unconsciousness on someone is not that simple.
Obara was a sicko of world-class proportions, and not comparable to some yutz hotel employee who decides to swipe a guest’s Rolex. I’m not sure why said yutz would pump gas into a vent rather than just waiting for the guest to leave the room, but like Welltravelled said, you can’t ever figure these things out with criminals.
p(Two people oversleeping after transcontinental flight) = p(One person oversleeping after transcontinental flight) x p(Other person oversleeping after transcontinental flight)
p(Two people oversleeping after transcontinental flight) = .5 x .5
p(Two people oversleeping after transcontinental flight) = .25
You should do a couple hundred more flights to test for those .5s.
I don’t get how you wouldn’t notice if somebody had raped you.