Hey, I used two periods in that first paragraph!
As has been noted it is part of the Social Contract. You live in a society and benefit in many ways from that society. There are a lot of competing interests in that society so sooner or later people are going to get their toes stepped on over something-or-other they don’t agree with. Win some, lose some. That is the price we pay. As an adult you are free to leave the country for one more suited to you if you like. You are also free to petition the government and try to get the laws changed more to your liking. You might succeed, you might not but you are free to try.
More importantly though is you should take note of the slippery-slope you setup in this response. So you decide which laws you think are not that harmful and decide to ignore them. Where does it stop? How do you draw a line that says, “These laws are optional, these aren’t.”? With no line drawn it is inevitable someone is going to ignore a law you think is rather important. Then what?
True - I considered pointing out that if he didn’t like the rules, he could just leave.
Mind, it could be a little tricky finding a place where you don’t have to obey rules. And odds are, the amenaties there will be a little short. You’d be pretty unlikely to have police protection, for obvious reasons, and nobody is likely to want to provide you with water or power or food if you can’t be obliged to pay for it.
What, are you saying you don’t want to stake a claim in some war-torn anarchic little country? In that case, we know who made you subject to society’s laws - you did, when you elected to stay in the area with the laws rather than going somewhere less comfortable that didn’t have them. If you choose to stay, you chose to subject yourself to the rules.
Rule, in otherwords, of said daycare, I’m assuming? Well, if that is the case, said daycare center can set any rules such rules they like, as they ARE a private business. You, in turn, don’t have to send your child there.
You implicitly agree to abide by the law (or face the consequences) by continuing to live in the society that supports you. If you don’t like living in a society, feel free to go find an isolated wilderness or jungle somewhere and have at it. But you can’t have it both ways. You can’t reap the benefits of living in a society (roads, access to health care, electricity, etc.) at the same time you want to disregard its very foundation (the law).
I thought I would get to be the one to mention the social contract, but I was beaten by Rhythmdvl. But, the part of that article that I think is most relevant to JFLuvly’s question is that part about “tacit consent”. Basically, you never agreed to follow the rules in any active way (like signing a contract or taking an oath), but because you continue to live in your country, you agree “tacitly” to follow the rules.
I know what you guys are saying, and I completely understand the point about the consequences of not obeying. I am just trying to figure out at what point I agreed to follow these laws. Everyweek, it seems, there are new laws coming out that may or may not affect me, but nobody asked if I was ok with it, so why do I have to follow it? Say for example, a new law stating I am not allowed to have chickens in my yard. Who the hell am I hurting by keeping a few chickens if they are fenced in? Please keep in mind that I am only using that as an example, I don’t have chickens and I think I am allowed to have them if I want.
You agree to either follow the law or face the punishment every single second you don’t leave the country. When you hear about the chicken law, the moment you heard it, you agreed to either 1) obey, 2) face punishment, or 3) leave. Electing not to do the latter is electing to do one of the former.
You’re missing the part where you agreed to all of this. By choosing to live where you do (sub-divison, city, county, state, country) you agreed to follow whatever rules they imposed.
Who asked you about this or that regulation/law? No one. They generally don’t. You have hired people to do that for you via voting for various officials at different levels of government. If you really want to you can educate yourself about all things before each government body and go to city council meetings and knock on the door of your Senator in the State Building or write them or write editorials on whatever is on your mind and hope they are published or write a blog or hand out pamphlets at the train station and so on.
Or get yourself elected and work from within the system to oppose chicken laws.
Lots of options.
In general, society does. If you break a rule and are caught you will be punished. Your agreement with said punishment is not, of course, required. In fact it’s irrelevant.
And so? What do you suppose this has to do with anything? You think that it’s required that your personal agreement is necessary?? By living within a society or nation, you agree implicitly with the rules that govern that society. Or, at the least, you agree to comply with those laws and rules. If you truly have issues with rules or laws governing the society or nation you are living in, you always have the option to move somewhere else. Er…well, you have said option if you happen to be born in a country or society that allows it, and if you also have the means to do so.
If not…then you shut up and soldier, soldier. Or, I suppose to be precise, you shut up and citizen, citizen.
If you live in Canada then you implicitly agree to abide by Canadian laws and social customs. If you choose not too then you will pay the price in either fines, fees, jail time or be socially ostracized. Your oath is not requested or required.
BTW, the Pledge of Allegiance is also not required in order for US citizens to be held accountable to our laws, rules or customs.
It is implicit in your continued living within Canada’s borders as a citizen (or even as a non-citizen). In that respect…yeah, it’s assumed.
-XT
OK question answered. I guess. Thank you.
response to extra info
Your neighbors, perhaps, have to put up with the noise and the smell. They may be fenced in, but I don’t want to have to smell chicken shit, and hear roosters at 4 am.
I will say there does seem to be a trend to more and more and more laws and regulation. Perhaps it is simply the nature of government and bureaucrats everywhere. They have a job to do and that job is making laws/regulations so damnit that is what they will do!
I really wish there was a mechanism to keep things more trimmed.
You are entirely correct OP. Claims of social contract, whether through tacit consent or otherwise are rubbish - have the pigeons living on my roof given this consent by living in this country?
Unfortunately there is nothing you can do about it. My advice to you, therefore, is just to ignore the rules when you think you can get away with it, and live by whatever moral code you fancy. But never, ever, forget the injustice - and show no consideration to the sheeple who support it
lol, I should have said too much xtra info.
I was going to explain why I have been wondering about this, but it did not seem appropriate after I posted, as it was kind of personal.
It was about me getting screwed and the laws being ignored when it was not in big business’ favor, but I don’t think I’ll bother to mention that.
Why should you stop at red lights?
Why should you drive on the same side of the road as everyone else?
Why should you have to have car insurance?
Why should you have to pay taxes?
Guinastasia,
Yeah but if my neighbors don’t mind, and say they think it’s a good idea to have half a dozen chickens around so they get free eggs, I am still breaking the law. I don’t think 6 chickens would be that noisy or smelly if they are ranging around in a fenced in acre.
Exactly glee, on the first one at least. I live in a small town and the intersectionas are not that busy, If I slow down ( to less than 5 mph) and look in both directions and there is nothing coming, who am I hurting if I continue on my way. Sure I am breaking the law, but if nobody was hurt what difference does it make? If I run into someone I obviously did not do a good job of making sure no one got hurt so I deserve a fine. It’s pretty obvious about which side of the road to drive on. If I can cover the cost of an accident, why do I need insurance? Taxes suck!!!
Good answer Angry Lurker…lol