Who the fuck murders diplomats?

This is some great way to create an environment of peace, stability, and rebuilding in a place that needs it so desperately…

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20030819/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_030819164858

What purpose could this possibly have served? How is this going to do any good for the people of Iraq, or anyone else for that matter? Does anyone seriously think the U.N. was trying to take over Iraq for the oil, or to establish a geopolitical foothold in the Middle East? What justification will these evil excuses for human beings possibly come up with? At least bombing U.S. CENTCOM would have had some kind of sick internal logic.

My only hope is that the bombing will repulse enough other people who might otherwise sympathize with the evil scumbags who did this, that their organization’s numbers will not grow.

People with more C4 than brains do this I guess. Just saw it on the news, I’m still stunned…

They.Don’t.Want.Us.There.
We’ll lose people every day until we’re gone. Regardless of how you or I feel about that, it will happen.
They.Don’t.Want.Us.There.

When I left for lunch, they were still digging for the poor guy. When I came back, he’s confirmed dead. Shit.

A look from CNN at the life of Sergio Vieira de Mello.

"Vieira de Mello told the 15-member U.N. Security Council in July, “Iraqis need to know that the current state of affairs will come to an end soon. They need to know that stability will return and that the occupation will end.”

In a talk in Baghdad in June, he said: "Iraq has suffered far too much for far too long. War, pervasive human rights abuse, and stringent sanctions. Iraqis deserve better, infinitely better.

“The task is huge. We should all come to it with a keen sense of humility and a strong sense of determination.”

Obviously, this imperialist bastard deserved to die :mad:

Way to go. And now all those people who want the UN to take over from the Coalition will have this to contend with. Saddam wants everybody to leave so that he can emerge again, and that can’t happen. But, Jesus, the UN headquarters…!

Catch the bastards and throw 'em in the Tigris, handcuffed.

An Arky, who the hell is “us”? Vieira de Mello was a Brazilian. His last major job had been in Kosovo, helping MUSLIM refugees. Most of those killed were probably Iraqis.

Maybe somebody could start a great debate thread? This is a vent-against-the-morons thread IMO.

Actually, since the UN was not a supporter of the war and since, if Hussein (or his successors) ever want(s) to come back, he/they will need the support of some large organization to oppose the U.S., it is less likely that the UN bombing was by the Fedayeen. Given that the “coalition” has actually made Iraq’s borders more porous, this is liable to be the work of al Qaida–the guys who were not there before we entered the country.

Mehitabel-

No matter how good a man Sergio was, They. Don’t. Want. Us. There.

They is the Iraqi resistance. Us is the UN, the US and other forces currently occupying their country.

I think it sucks that they’ve killed more innocent victims, but maybe it’s time for us to think about pulling out and not wasting our time, money, energy and lives rebuilding their country. They(even though “they” is probably a small group or minority), obviously don’t see that we’re trying to help them.

Sam

Of course, at this point, if they find bin Laden’s fingerprints on the steering wheel, I will expect the administration to continue to blame Hussein.

Nope, if bin Laden’s fingerprints were on the steering wheel, they’d be too happy that he was dead.

Well consdidering that a lot of people over there think UN = US, then sure.

Sorry for sounding harsh…

Anyway, the UN is Us, to them. It’s “the West”. They hate us. They being the Iraqi resistance. Since we’ve essentially disenfranchised the law-abiding citizens of Iraq, the non-law-abiding Iraqis have stepped in and voted with their plastique.

A despicable act, to be sure. Really sad because it looks like they killed somebody who might’ve actually helped their country more than the average occupier.

Got any evidence of that? Are you totally assured that it was not a separate hate group (one, for example, that has more on its agenda than simply removing the U.S. from the individual country of Iraq)?

You are right. Could be al Queda or such. They hate us, too. Of course if all you have to go on is hating the West, you haven’t narrowed down the list of suspects much.

Who murders diplomats? There is a long history of murdered and maimed diplomats. Have we forgotten Nairobi in '98 already? The bombing of Beirut? The Iran hostages? I can attest to how large a target Americans and other diplomats are after serving with the State Department for 12 years. If you knew how many tax dollars are spent in ‘hardening’ embassies and residences, you would not have to ask the question.

IIRC the headquarters building(a hotel actually) of the UN was less heavily guarded than CENTCOM HQ. It may have been picked because it was a softer target, not because of the people inside.

Or I guess the people behind the bombing may have been striking out against the UN because the feel the UN would be more effective than the US efforts. Let’s face it, some people(such as Al Queda) have a lot to gain from a continuing conflict. Keeping the UN(and other players) out of the reconstruction effort while harrassing/sabotaging US efforts is a good way to continue the situation.

Enjoy,
Steven

The question was more of a rhetorical rant. Believe me, I’ve forgotten none of the above, even if I was 12 years old at the end of the Iranian hostage crisis.

The fact that the main individual in question has devoted his entire career to helping refugees makes it all the more despicable.

I think they have made clear with their actions that anyone who collaborates with the occupation forces or the puppet government installed by them is a fair target whether he is American, Iraqi or Brazilian. Their aim is to disrupt the occupation every way they can. They have blown up water, electricity and oil conductions, they have killed Iraqi collaborators and they are trying to kill as many of the occupying forces as they can. The message is that anyone who collaborates with the Americans is a target.

There are a number of characteristics of this bombing that make me suspect it was carried out by al-Qaida or one of its affiliates.

Most strikingly, this strike appears to have been an entirely unnecessary suicide attack. The BBC reports that the suspect vehicle was parked at the time that it exploded, which means that the driver ought to have had plenty of time to make his escape. If he did not, and this was in fact a suicide attack, it would be strange move for a Ba’athist resistance that must be struggling to preserve its numbers. It would, however, be perfectly in keeping with al-Qaida’s zeal for “martyrdom operations” even where such martyrdom is not strictly required.

Like the Jordanian Embassy bombing, this attack also struck a “soft” target not directly affiliated with the CPA-I. Targetting the Jordanian government would do little to accomplish the Ba’athist goal of expelling coalition forces from Iraq beyond sewing a little more peripheral chaos, but is perfectly in line with al-Qaida’s policy of targeting pro-US Arab governments. Similarly, it seems somewhat counter-productive for the Ba’athist resistance to strike at UN employees who were not directly involved in restoring order and services to Iraq; for one thing, this could broaden the list of enemies that the Ba’athists would have to overcome to expel the occupation forces from Iraq.

Al-Qaida, on the other hand, has a history of targeting the United Nations and has been actively targeted by that body itself. It also has an interest in attacking all pro-Western interests that it can, regardless of what role such interests play in the immediate situation in Iraq, in hopes of provoking iits desired “clash of civilizations” between the West and the Muslim world in general.

Needless to say, this bombing and the Jordanian were also far larger than the attacks that have characterized the Iraqi resistance in recent months. Their intent seems not to have been to disrupt Iraqi infrastructure or kill Coalition soldiers, but simply to kill large numbers of pro-Western civilians. They were a far cry from the pipeline attacks that occurred over the weekend, for example, which strike me as Ba’athist operations.

All things considered, the UN headquarters and Jordanian Embassy bombings seem to me to be the work of parties distinct from the rest of the Iraqi resistance, and quite possibly affiliated with al-Qaida.

Total hijack, Chefguy, but what did you (do you?) do with the State Department?

All well and good Publius except the Jordanian and UN bombings were purposeful. They served to cut the Iraqi people off from credible sources of help. Just like cutting off water will make the people suffer and the oil pipeline keep them poor, they are isolating the Iraqi people form an Arab neighbor and diplomat intent in genuinely helping the Iraqi people and endng the occupation. These are disstabilizing tactics used by rebels and insurgents. They are not the flashy random acts of violent publicity that Al Qaeda normally uses to target American interests. This helps no one but Saddam. It does not further the goal of Al Qaeda nor does it help them in their own struggles.

3000 non-iraqi combatants have infused themselves into Iraq with the help of Saddam Loyalists. Al Qaeda is capable of that kind of organization in Iraq. That diplomat has been there for quite a while and was specifically targeted. Intelligence has beeen gathered to make sure he was killed. That is more than what Al Qaeda is capable of, given that they are on the run in a different country with most of their leaders captured or killed.

This guy who blew himself up may not have been an Iraqi per se, but he is not Al Qaeda. His affiliations stinks of Fedayeen.

I type too fast…my bad

“Al Qaeda is not capable of that kind of organization in Iraq.”