How about this: If every person in a non-swing state who ordinarily doesn’t vote, instead voted for Biden, then Biden would win every single one of them, even the likes of Utah and Wyoming.
This is a more far-fetched scenario than Amash being elected.
You’re not wrong about that. But hey, we can dream.
Me, I hope Biden wins this one, decides he’s unfit for a second term but leaves in a good position for a younger more progressive Dem to run and win in 2024. Now it is just about getting Trump out.
There are Trump voters here. If they’re here, they’re everywhere. I can’t fathom it, but it’s reality. It’s a snapshot, but not the entire picture.
I’ll be voting third party, just as I did last time. I don’t vote for rapists, regardless of what color tie they wear. I also think it’s a poor idea to vote for malignant narcissists and people far gone in dementia. If the Dems pull their heads out and nominate someone without credible rape charges against them and who has a progressive platform then I’ll reevaluate but I think the chances of that are about as good as that of a snowball in a cyclotron so here we are. And so it goes.
I’m not comfortable answering the poll as worded. I know it probably looks simple & self-explanatory, but…
I live in New York State. Me not voting for the Democratic candidate here in New York has a vastly different impact than me not voting for the Democratic candidate in North Carolina would. (If Joe Biden is even remotely in danger of not snagging New York’s electoral votes, he’s toast; it means he’s losing Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Hampshire, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, etc).
I’m registered Green. We have a good candidate who would actually make a very good President were he to be elected. We don’t — at this point, in 2020, without ranked choice voting in place yet — run Presidential candidates with the expectation that they’ll win the election. We run Presidential candidates as a mechanism for getting progressive issues out there, in front of more voters, which has the effect of pulling the Democratic Party in a more progressive direction by making its candidates compete for Green votes.
If I lived in North Carolina (etc) in the absence of ranked choice voting, I would vote for Joe Biden, no two ways about it.
If I lived in North Carolina and they did have ranked choice voting I’d cast my first choice for Howie Hawkins, Green Party candidate for Prez, and my second choice for Joe Biden, the Democratic Party candidate. When it was determined that Hawkins received fewer votes than any other candidate (or any other candidate whose voters hadn’t already been switched to their next choices), he would be eliminated from consideration and my vote would be reallocated to Joe Biden.
There isn’t a state in the union that votes 75% D.
To be fair, DC votes >90% D.
Of course you all have your right to vote third party. But let’s be honest, the Green or Libertarian candidates are not going to receive one electoral vote and will not do so in our lifetimes. Normally, you’re not hurting anyone by voting third party. But in 2016, the Greens contributed to Hillary losing the election. We can’t risk that happening again. My hope is that for just one election, everyone votes D so that we can resoundingly defeat the evil that is currently in the White House.
I’d rather have the ham sandwich than trump.
Then why are you running Hawkins instead of that guy?
So, people love to talk about Joe and his gaffes- read this:
*It was as though Trump had never thought about it before. And it wasn’t the only moment in which the president was flummoxed. He had no plan for bringing the spread of the virus under control and offered little beyond his widely criticized idea that states should reopen their economies swiftly — even though none has met the White House coronavirus task force’s criteria for doing so.
The interview took place during Trump’s at times surreal, mask-less trip to a Honeywell plant in Phoenix, Arizona, where masks are produced. …It took Muir just one question to demonstrate that Trump has no defense beyond deflection.
“What did you do when you became president to restock those cupboards that you say are bare?” he asked.
“Well, I’ll be honest, uh, I have a lot of things going on,” Trump began, in a sound bite tailor-made for an attack ad. “We had a lot of, uh, people, that refused to allow the country to be successful. They wasted a lot of time on ‘Russia, Russia, Russia’ — that turned out to be a total hoax. Then they did ‘Ukraine, Ukraine,’ and that was a total hoax. Then they impeached the president for absolutely no reason.”…
Trump’s attempt to defend the comment didn’t make sense:
“So let me, let me — I said even, you would say, worse than that, I said “one person” one time. And it’s true. There was a time when we had one person in this country. We knew about it, we worked on it, but we have one person. It mushroomed. The 15 people mushroomed. Other people were coming in also from Europe”…As Trump rambled, he misspoke about which country he’s leading (“I banned people from coming into China”) and brandished a sheet of paper meant to demonstrate how great the US is in testing compared with other countries (never mind that the US has more than twice as many coronavirus deaths as the four countries he used for comparison combined)…“I’m viewing our great citizens of this country to a certain extent and to a large extent as warriors. They’re warriors. We can’t keep our country closed. We have to open our country,” Trump said. “Will some people be badly affected? Yes.”…By “badly affected,” Trump meant dead.*
Indeed. The same as 2016, maybe even more than 2016, any third-party vote is in reality a vote for Chump.
Stop saying that, you know better. If you live in any of the non-swing states, it isn’t true. I’m completely on the vote the Dem over Trump boat but saying what you’re saying is silly.
You’re only fooling yourself.
You understand about the stupid ass Electoral College, that’s the point.
Yes. The people saying, in essence, ‘a squeaker-win for the Democrat in the Electoral College is exactly the same thing as a win in the Electoral that comes from a massive popular-vote advantage’ are just plain wrong.
Technically, yes: either would make the Democrat President.
But in the bitter partisanship of the day, an overwhelming popular-vote win (that also includes an E.C. win) will be necessary to overcome all the opposition that the GOP will put up–both legal and not-legal.
In the current climate, a technical win is not good enough. The Democrats need to win by a devastatingly-large margin.
The Democratic party doesn’t deserve to win by a devastatingly large margin. Their chosen candidate shouldn’t be allowed to drive much less run for president. They have proven for decades that they don’t understand how to wield power on the rare occasions when they actually have it, and they continue to be unable to expand their voterbase outside of a fleeting and temporary alliance with Never Trump republicans, who will inevitably return to a Trump-free GOP once he is gone. And believe it or not a lot of us don’t agree with a huge chunk of the Democratic platform, whether it’s gun control or identity politics or their perverse alliances with Wall Street elites, techbro psychopaths & Hollywood weirdos.
A squeeker EC vote win with a near-tie in the popular vote sounds about right for Biden & co actually.
This is the strain of thought that goes, roughly:
[ul]
[li]A party and a candidate exist to please me personally, and therefore[/li][li]The party and the candidate must “earn my vote,” and therefore[/li][li]Unless the party and/or the candidate tick off every box on my list of requirements, I will not vote at all.[/li][/ul]
This is a strain of thought pushed by those who wish to suppress voting.
A vote is not a prize you award to the party or candidate that courts you most eagerly. A vote is a tool you use to get as close as possible to what you want. Declining to vote is throwing away that tool.
A vote is not a valentine; it’s a chess move.*
*attributed to Rebecca Solnit.
What a romantic notion. My vote for president is a meaningless exercise in frustration, not a chess move. Me voting for Amash or Trump or Biden or Vermin Supreme does not make a lick a difference- the outcome would be the same. The vast majority of Americans are disenfranchised by the Electoral College and you want to say I’m suppressing voting. Ok.
And it’s ultimately a strawman. Despite my disappointment in the party being at an all-time high, I will be voting straight ticket Dem outside of the presidential race.
And rush to judgment is unfair, regardless of whether the accused is a rich white guy or the Central Park Five:
To buy into Tara Reade’s accusations against Biden is to enter an endless cycle of slander