What a long overdue response to MeToo, cancel culture & the media outrage machine. Funny how it’s only now being written.
I’m voting Green this year, as Biden is guaranteed to win California. I hope he beats Trump, but I’m done voting for conservatives and centrists, regardless of what party they belong to. And no, I don’t want Biden to beat Trump by a huge margin. I want the election to be close, to show the Dems that even as horrible as Trump is, they need to do way better.
If you’re presuming that the message that will be taken from a close election is “we need a need a more left-leaning candidate, younger, with more charisma and less baggage”, I’m kinda skeptical. Just as likely, really much more likely IMHO, the takeaway will be “we need another solidly centrist candidate, just younger, with more charisma and less baggage.”
Then they will continue to lose, and if they are still so stubborn to not alter their tactics despite that, then they deserve to lose.
Democrats do not “continue to lose.” There are many states where one or the other party has a lock, but both Democrats and Republicans win nationally about half the time.
As for whether centrist or extreme candidates do better in November, there never will be enough presidential races to get a statistically significant sample. But the evidence from the large number of House races is that moderates do a bit better.
If the economy remains terrible, even a socialist, who used to be a Trotskyite communist, might have won. Just not as strongly as Joe Biden will 
Cute.
Do you have any basis for implying that Hawkins would not make an excellent President, were he to actually be elected? He’s no nut case. He’s neither an extremist nor the kind of person who embraces fringe bullshit thinking it makes him “edgy”.
When asked to support the rent strike, for instance, he quickly pointed out that a lot of landlords aren’t some kind of big corporate amalgamation but instead are mom & pop sized operations that themselves have to be protected from losing their property if they cease to bring in rent, and that therefore any rent cessation has to be linked to mortgage cessation; and that in any instance, it would be a dangerous idea to simply stop paying rent, that doing so is a good way to end up evicted.
I don’t suggest you dash out and become a Howie supporter if you’re in a swing state but don’t disparage him without reason.
Well said. It ultimately comes down to disparaging any candidates who dare to question the two-party rule protected by the Electoral College. Howie Hawkins has no possibility of winning, but I don’t vote for candidates based on their possibility of winning, I vote for the candidate that best represents my values and that I believe will best protect my rights.
Why not write in yourself, then? You have the exact same chance of winning as Howie, and I’ll bet as much as you like him, there’s probably some minor differences, but you know you are 100% in line with your own positions.
Actually no. Altho it doesnt help in who wins, the Popular vote will help cement Bidens positions as leader. Let is say Biden wins, but with only a 5% edge in the popular vote- vs winning with a edge several times that. That edge will help show the nation that indeed- most of America is behind him. It’s a moral thing, true, nowhere near as critical as the real vote, but it will help.
I also will not vote for a man who gropes young girls repeatedly and makes them uncomfortable, I will not vote for a man who touches women without their consent, I will not vote for a man who grabs women’s hands and restrains them in order to make his point, I will not vote for a man who harassed and badgered a woman who brought sexual harassment charges against a SCOTUS appointee during his confirmation hearings, I will not vote for a man who cannot complete a sentence. All of these behaviors have extensive video and photographic evidence dating back decades.
I also will not vote for the person who wrote the Patriot Act. I will not vote for the person who pushed the Crime Bill that resulted in a massive increase in incarceration rates. I will not vote for a person who thinks that a woman’s right to choose is not absolute. I will not vote for a segregationist. I will not vote for anyone who voted to begin the Iraq war. I will not vote for a person who is not fullheartedly in favor of Medicare For All, especially not one who declared, this year, that he would veto such a bill if it passed both houses and ended up on his desk if he were president. I will not vote for a person who will stand up in this day and age and call marijuana a “gateway drug.”
I hope I’ve made myself clear enough on this issue that you will refrain from any further limp attempts at vote shaming me.
I would certainly rather write myself in than vote for Biden. At least I know I won’t sell us all out to the Republicans like Biden will inevitably do. But I don’t have any public support, and wouldn’t anyway given I definitely don’t think many people would vote for a transgender woman (on either side of the aisle), so it would really be a waste.
So, you wont vote for Sen. Daschle, Thomas A. [D-SD] or Republican Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner. (They wrote the Patriot act) Note that *everyone voted for that bill, including Sanders. *only 3 did not. So, any one who was in Congress in 2001 is thus disqualified by this reasoning. Think about that. **Everyone. **
Indeed, Biden was a big supporter of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, *so was Bernie Sanders. He voted Aye. * It passed with a big majority.
Abortion? If elected, Biden says he would codify Roe v. Wade into federal law and restore federal funding to Planned Parenthood and other reproductive-care providers for health services other than abortion. He also no longer supports the Hyde Amendment, which bans the use of federal funds for abortion except in cases of rape, incest or life-threatening circumstances.
There are no segregationists running. Biden is not, nor has ever been a segregationist. Biden was Obamas Veep for gawdssake. Trump comes much closer, being a died in the wool racist.
You know, you have to read what Biden said about sanders plan, he didnt actually say he would veto Sanders plan. It isnt like you think, and sanders plan has exactly no chance of ever being passed.
And, indeed Biden doesnt "stand up in this day and age and call marijuana a “gateway drug.” He dropped that more than a decade ago. Do try to keep up with the times, eh?
As posted earlier:
Originally Posted by Sherrerd
*This is the strain of thought that goes, roughly:
A party and a candidate exist to please me personally, and therefore
The party and the candidate must “earn my vote,” and therefore
Unless the party and/or the candidate tick off every box on my list of requirements, I will not vote at all.
This is a strain of thought pushed by those who wish to suppress voting.
A vote is not a prize you award to the party or candidate that courts you most eagerly. A vote is a tool you use to get as close as possible to what you want. Declining to vote is throwing away that tool.
A vote is not a valentine; it’s a chess move.*
attributed to Rebecca Solnit.
Wide words.
If I had to guess, IMHO you have been deceived by the GOP and Kremlin into not voting,
exactly as they want, and what they have spent millions trying to get people like you to do. Do you want to do what they want?
Howie Hawkins, assuming he’s the Green Party candidate. Dario Hunter, if he somehow manages to beat Howie Hawkins in the Green primaries. I will vote for Howie because I think he will make a much better president than either of the corporate party candidates, and because a vote for Howie is a vote towards maintaining the Green Party line in New York.
My summary. So you’ll accept a man who bragged of multiple sexual assaults and said he wanted to fuck his underage daughter. I find your values curious.
You do realize that when Trump wins–and he almost certainly will win, thanks in part to people like you–he will be appointing RBG’s replacement. How do you think that justice will feel about trans rights?
I’m voting against Trump, but I’m a straight cis white male. I don’t even have kids, so I’m not personally affected by climate change. I’ll do fine under a Trump administration. I’m only voting against him for people who aren’t like me. But fuck it, if they can’t hold their nose and vote against Trump, ain’t my problem.
Imagine believing Mitch McConnell would ever allow Biden to appoint RBG’s replacement.
He doesnt have a choice, really. I mean, it’s one thing to do it to a lame duck president, but trying it for four years will be a sure way of losing the senate in 2022. And *someone *will cross the aisle.
In any case, at least the seat wont be filled by another Kavanaugh .
He will allow Trump to appoint her replacement. I’m sure he has suggestions.
And if people on the left extract their heads from their assholes, there’s a chance to get the senate as well as the white house.
Reading comprehension is obviously something you lack. Reread my initial post in this thread. Then read this very slowly: I. WILL. NOT. VOTE. FOR. A. RAPIST.
There, have you figured it out yet or do you need another six months of thinking about it to get it straight?
I love it that this stupid fucking country is an artificially imposed duopoly and that the majority of its citizens are so fucking indoctrinated they literally cannot comprehend anything outside those strictures.
All political systems are artificially imposed. This is the one we got.
There will only be two candidates come November. No other candidate will even be talked about on election night. You can shrug your shoulders and tell everyone “it’s not my fault i voted for Bill and Opus” but that’s not the truth.
I’ll vote for Biden. I’ll vote for any democrat unless the party goes totally insane. I’m not a big fan of everything that either party is for but I won’t vote for Trump. If my state goes for Trump it will mean he won in a Reagan-like landslide. I don’t see that happening.