Who Would You Support In the English Civil War

“Mankind will not be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”*
Roundheads Forever! Death to every Stuart!

*Ok, so it was written by a Frenchman instead of an Englishman. The sentiment’s the same.

I can’t remember where, since it was a few years ago on the internet, but I read that in the furnaces of Pittsburgh in the 1920s & '30s, which was back-breaking heat-intensive work, and you died young, Poles had to do 16 hour shifts. Then if the foreman saw a need you’d have to pull a double shift back to back.
Andy Carnegie was a very strong believer in republican government, and wrote books about it.

No those societies sure as Hell wasn’t perfect, but they were slightly better-in the US everyone from the billionaire to the beggar were (theoretically) treated the same by the law. People started charities and other programs to start helping the poor.

Uh, no. Charles II was a reformer, and believed quite strongly (for the time) in religious tolerance. Most of what he proposed was blocked by Parliament.

I don’t care to discuss my religion or lack thereof on the internet.
But Divine Right is not necessarily christian, although naturally in that period Europe was mostly christian ( or one provided a reasonable facsimile of devotion if one was something other, but sensible ) therefore it had a christian aura then. There has always been loyalty to one’s hereditary lord somewhere on earth.

Oh, I can believe it. Why do you think Pittsburgh is such a strong union town?

One of my cats is named after Prince Rupert of the Rhine. My other cat is named after Oliver Cromwell. The English Civil gets re-fought at my house every evening.

I could hardly choose :p.

Levellers all the way.

Before or after Cromwell decided to long-knife them?

Well, by that standard I’ll be a pro-Cromwell Parliamentarian (while taking care not to be too closely associated with the Regicide, since I don’t wish to be drawn and quartered), then quickly change sides and become a Royalist upon the Restoration.

“Treason is a matter of dates.” – Talleyrand

More of a Digger myself.

Well, not only did Oliver Cromwell lift the ban on Jews settling in England, he personally invited the Chief Rabbi of Amsterdam to London and urged him to bring his community with him. So just for that, I’m on his side.

OTOH, Charles II oversaw the greatest age of scientific discovery the world had seen since ancient Athens, so I have no problem with the Restoration, either.

Cavaliers - way sexier.

I went with the roundheads. There were bastards on both sides and it wasn’t a hollywood-style, good vs. evil conflict. So I don’t consider the Roundheads to be “The Good Guys” But I do not like the “divine right” view of the world no matter how romantic it is. I’d rather have power in the hand of a Parliment than the king and aristocracy.

I think most of us would, but that wasn’t really an option. It was more a question of whether you wanted power in the hands of the king or the Lord Protector.

Welp, at the time, the ancestor what left for America supported the Roundheads. This was largely viewed by many as a bad idea, him being Irish and all, and precipitated his urgent relocation.

Truthfully, he only supported 'em because he was in a long and very angry argument with his father the Baron.

So, all things considered, it really would depend on which of them were being greater assholes at the time. If the answer is both, as it tends to be in the family, I would agree with the Roundheads, but I’d have to oppose them in regards to the whole killing everybody I know issue. (On the other hand, this is not where the centuries-old tradition of supporting rebellions came from.)

Fuck it. Third choice. I’m off to America.

Well, I’m Scottish, Irish, and Catholic. So fuck the Roundheads. Hell, I’d go with the French if they were the alternate. And Girl From Mars, how you doin’? :wink:

I’m backing the Roundheads. Charles I was an idiot, and the problem with Divine Right of Kings is that you wind up with people like Charles I.

Other - Confederates. Technically relates to the larger Wars of the Three Kingdoms, but close enough.

You know how Liberal feels about Andrew Jackson? While I’m not nearly as rabid, that’s kind of how I view Oliver Cromwell. Guy was a bastard and I hope he’s rotting in hell.

Hell, if I were to go to Britain, and saw a statue of Cromwell, I’d have to restrain myself from spitting on it.