Why are American men generally more manly than European men?

Yeah, but the big-screen action movies these days are All-American superhero movies: we want to see a growling Christian Bale slug it out with a brawny Tom Hardy, or a bare-chested Henry Cavill showing off his six-pack and wrapping guys up in choke-holds. Idris Elba! Michael Fassbender! Manly men!

There’s this perception that men have to behave in the way you outlined in order to be considered “real men”. It’s cultural. Men who naturally have these interests/styles are encouraged to express it fully, men who do not are encouraged to act more in line with the stereotype.

Now on to my own generalizations…this seems to be partly generational - more common among older men (lets say 50+). Probably just more culturally emphasized as they were growing up than it is now.

Also partly class-based. Working class men often rely on “many” attributes for a living (building things, fixing things, using physical strength) so this style of masculinity is more valued. White-collar or professional men often rely on other types of skills for their livelihood so being stereotypically manly isn’t as important. Of course, generalizations, all individuals are different yadda yadda, but I do think there is a broad generational and class correlation.

As a straight woman in her early 30s, I can tell you that much of what you listed as “manly” is a turn-off for me as well as many of my contemporaries. Guns? Not happening. Ugly white tennis shoes and baggy t-shirts? Not interested. Drive a big truck by choice (not necessary for work or some odd financial situation)? No. Sports don’t matter either way. Beer and red meat are fine, but if a guy won’t eat anything lighter or more interesting, then no. And I need to have real, deep conversations with him, so no strong silent types. Honestly, I love a man in a nicely fitting (not necessarily tight) pink shirt. I don’t know enough Europeans to say if this applies to them, but I’ve known plenty of American men who aren’t manly-by-this-definition and most don’t seem to feel any pressure to buy a truck and go hunting.

Not all Europeans are Italian. Sheesh.

Well, traditionally in Europe we liked attempting to fight each other to extinction roughly once every generation - or more than that, if we’re feeling frisky. However then some failed Austrian artist ruined everyone’s fun, so we’ve had roughly sixty years of solid peace between Europe’s major powers (except in the Balkans, where tiny genetic differences really fucking matters).

As everyone knows, there’s nothing less manly than peace and pacifists. Americans of course haven’t yet got tired of a good ruck, so that explains it.

Well OP is banned, unsurprisingly.

For anyone not aware, sparking “US v Europe” arguments is trolling 101.

Fuck the Ford F-150!

I drive an F-250! :smiley:

(and a Fiat)

Save me from myself–It has to have been in one of the first 3 films where he gets chewed out by M for some infraction regard the Walther. He was either carrying it instead of the standard issue, or was carrying something else instead of the required Walther. Which was it? Guess I know which box set I’m watching this weekend.

I DO know he was NOT packing, nor was he expected to, an übermanly .44 6-banger. So clearly his penis was large.

Not thinking of the scene in Dr. No are you, he hands a Beretta M1934 to Q and is forced to use instead the Walther PPK (later his standard)?

That’s exactly the scene. Thank you. It still warms my heart he prefers accuracy over stopping power–one good small hit being better than a bunch of big misses.

Of course, he also hits a bunch of misses as a matter of course. * rim shot *

I’m pretty sure in one of the books (ask a European what ‘books’ are, if you’re American), there’s a scene where Q and M make him upgrade to a sidearm with more stopping power.

Do I need to check into a sanitorium to get this burn looked at? :smiley: The whole James Bond thing is irrelevant to this thread anyway. Connery was a Scotsman–a real man who could’ve carried a magnum as well as sport a substantial…portion size. No mere European, he.

Which itself was inspired by a correspondence between Fleming and firearms expert Geoffrey Boothroyd (who was honoured by a namesake in the films and books, as the Quartermaster), where he described Bond’s firearm in the novels, the miniscule Beretta 418 (the farthest you can can get from overcompensating Magnums and Desert Eagles) as a ‘lady’s gun’.

FTR Ian Fleming didn’t write “books.”

He wrote glurge fanfic about his glory days.

You, as a Doper, are certainly familiar with this genre.

Deleuze wrote books. Couturat wrote books. Descartes wrote some.

Thackeray and Fleming and Dickens wrote spy novels.

Well, you learn something new every day.

Damn right.

I guess Brooklyn is part of Europe now.

They drink it out of the skulls of their enemies!

Probably why they surrendered in WWII, they were full up on skulls.

Actually I think that the op slipped up, when he forgot to mention bathing irregulary, and farting loudly and often (And then laughing uproariously) in public places !

I mean they’re both things that real men do right ?

And now I’m off to enjoy a nice, small white wine with my quiche, while I flip through my scrapbook of kitten photos .
I hope that theres some ice dancing on tv tonight.

Baseball is manly? Explain.

What’s more manly than whacking leathery balls with a phallic object?