Why are Americans so disliked worldwide?

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the ‘TOBIN TAX’? I don’t think I’ve ever heard of it?

By the way, Russia is far ahead of us in pollution, India is ahead also - along with poor medical care for their millions, South America is polluting its rivers, becoming a dumping ground for toxic waste from other nations and rapidly stripping the rain forrest. You dare not swim in the waters of Venice because of the bacterial pollution, China virtually leads the world in industrial pollutants, France ignored nuclear treaties and tested nuclear weapons under ground and in the air. Iraq created the worst oil pollution EVER and released bacterial weapons during desert storm. In Africa they are water mining, which is the use of high pressure water cannons to blast tons of dirt away – and down into local rivers to silt them up, pollute the water and kill the fish. In Thailand, they use mercury by the ton to process gold with from independent miners which has poisoned several rivers and a couple of thousand acres of land, not to mention a couple of thousand miners. Mexico used DDT like it is free, ignoring the proven facts of genetic damage caused by the chemical to all forms of life.

In at least 6 nations, their idea of treating sewage is to pump it into the nearest river, untreated.

So, we are NOT the worlds leading polluter. It also seems to me that we gave back ALL lands captured during WW2, while several nations have not and have been very active in locating and returning ‘spoils of war,’ something never done before. Plus, after WW2, Americans went in to defeated nations and helped them rebuild, provided them with food, medicine and law and then backed out when they could handle themselves. Again, something previously unheard of. And Americans discovered and developed the great Saudi oil fields then were shoved out by the Arabs without recompensation for taking over the expensive American companies. We COULD have gone to war over that and turned the Arabs back into camel jockeys, but we did not.

Didn’t the British recently go and beat the shit out of some small, colonial territory which wanted independence a few years ago? America gave back the Panama Cannel without any bloody battles. Were COULD have gone in and turned Castro into so much manure and certainly could now, but we don’t – even though he is a real pain in the ass. Waiting for the old bastard to die is not why either, because his son will rise to the ‘throne’ and he is worse than his dad.

We’ve sent BILLIONS of tons of food to impoverished countries, only to discover than much of it is being taken by the rich government for not only their own use, but to secretly sell to other nations for money and some of the free food even turns up being SOLD to the people that it was to be GIVEN to. We didn’t stop the shipments.

A friend of mine is disabled and on commodities – a once a month government handout of about 8 to 10 pounds of crappy food. EVERY TIME there is a disaster over seas and we send food, HIS commodities stop! Once our government had fed the victims over seas, THEN his supplies start up again.

I really hate it when people start bad mouthing the States, while wearing American clothing, eating American food, getting American medications, driving American Cars, flying in American designed aircraft, getting American discovered medical treatments, listening to American Music, watching American shows and, especially, if they have fled here to avoid persecution from their OWN governments.

As for inventions, we have the largest history of inventions and registration of same in the world because many foreign inventers fled HERE to be able to create freely. (Some nations like China, invented wonderful things in the past – and then abandoned them or did not develope them to their full potential.)

We’ve developed the artificial heart machine, replacement heart valves, replacement hip joints, artificial skin, ocular lens implants, the heart transplant followed by other organ transplants, artificial bone, neutral plastic mesh, and tons of things have come out of the space industry for average use, like kevlar, high pressure, optical plastics, and more. Our farmers can and have fed the majority of the world. We repay our debts also.

Yeah, we get a bit mouthy at times and some of us overseas get downright rude, but I’ve run into rude people here from other nations, especially Arabs and Pakistani, Indians, Iraq and Iranians. It burns me up that half of Cuba came to the tip of Florida and now the dominate language is Spanish in Miami and you HAVE to be bilingual in order to do business there. THEY came HERE so they should have learned English instead of turning Miami into Little Cuba, but we let them do it anyhow.

I’d say we have a lot more pluses here than negatives in comparison to any other nation.

Thanks Ruadh,
I just spent the last twenty minutes laughing my ass off!! NIGHTGIRL is one hell of a classy American act!!
Be proud NIGHTGIRL…very proud!!

From a personal viewpoint, Americans (and particularly American tourists) are PERCEIVED and seen as loud-obnoxious know-it-alls who would rather shout you down that debate something. Added to that is the arrogance so many US tourists display so off-handedly and it’s little wonder they have a low popularity rating abroad.
I personally have met some wonderful americans - mostly exchange students and a few backpackers but I’ve also met too many obnoxious americans. Their narrow-mindedness did nothing for your country’s reputation.

Having said that let me say that these rednecked “we’re the best cos our media says so” tourists aren’t truly indicative of a good percentage of the US. I recently travelled through the good ol’ US (with low expectations) and was pleasantly surprised to come accross a horde of polite and friendly people particularly in the country areas.

Maybe your own beloved media - whose propoganda props up your own national pride - is to blame for pushing the negatives onto those of us outside your borders.

right, i would like to ask you a couple of questions now. you know that there are more people driving european cars than american ones right? and there are even more people driving oriental ones than european cars. point being, who cares? airplanes…you just seem to have a reputation for crashing them. you are about the only country in the world that would nationally grieve the son of a long dead president for a month! while the love for celebrities is overwhelming the love for your neighbour is non existant. still thats a person you meet more often.

so you think that by pointing out “bad” things in other countries that makes you any better than they are?

one word…“BOOM!!!”. you are the worlds leading nuclear power, thats a BAD thing. such weapons of destructions should not be used or made any more. but stubborness to be rid of them gives other countries excuses to make some themselves.

off to another subject. why the hell do you have to remake every sport? why the hell do you have to do everything differently at the same time you expect everybody else to do it like you are doing?

but that would have been stupid, war is stupid (although historically speaking needed). war is something we dont need any more, we are not supposed to force nothing upon anyone else…thats what being free is. meaning that you can do whatever you want as long as you are not intruding upon someone elses freedom.

tell me one thing now, if canada was geographically in the place the us is now, wouldnt you think all those immigrants would go there instead to the us? canada is a country that is considered the best one to live in in the world. far surpasses the us in every way.

nightgirl, have you ever lived in another country? i have, and i have seen the good and bad sides in living in iceland. i could imagine myself living elsewhere, specially in the wintertime. but nothing ive seen beats iceland in the summer.

bj0rn - reykjavík, iceland, earth

Mr Zambezi,

No, you’re not stirring the pot if you say that America is great. You are stirring the pot if you suggest that America is the greatest country in the world based on spurious assertions about other countries.

If you want to see some “appalling accusations”, read what NightGirl, Rainbowcsr and Sentinel have said about virtually every other country in the world (including NightGirl’s latest post) Some of what they have said is accurate or nearly-accurate but a great deal of it is simply calumny.

As for

Who is exhibiting the boorishness in this thread?

Have any of you ever heard Americans by Corky and the Juice Pigs? Really funny stuff.
Check out the the lyrics.

I’m confused, enlighten me please…

On the general topic, I can understand how the disdain with which the US is often verbally treated might irritate some Americans. But, IMHO, it’s a vicious circle. Firstly, the fact that Americans can be a little culturally insensitive, crass, arrogant, verbose etc when travelling leads to the second point…this is used as a stick with which to beat the USA. Let’s face it, most other peoples have little other ‘ammunition’ with which to target the economically and militarily most powerful nation on the planet. So it’s cyclical.
From a personal point of view, I like working here (in the US), have met a lot of wonderful people, and have only had very occassional cause to sigh as i’m treated to a coversation, which i’m not really interested in, being held some 45 feet away in a bar in England. But people are different.
For the information of anyone outside the US who has never visited, two bits of information…i) Visit, you’ll enjoy it and ii) You will meet very, very few of the type of loud-mouthed people who believe you must realise that the USA is the greatest institution in history of the world, nay, universe.

android: NightGirl’s brain has finally overheated, or something. I cannot imagine what she was talking about when she said that, though I’d be interested to hear any explanation she has to offer.

TomH, I agree with your perception of Nightgirl’s harangue. I am not trying to put down other countries to make America look better. Quite the contrary, I am saying that America has a lot to be proud of. Our pride has a basis. I have never met any foreigner who was not proud of their country with the exception of Americans.

I find it very odd that folks like Mary are so quick to slam the United States. It ticks me off when someone ignore teh good that we do and portrays us as the great satan.

If Costa Ricans can be proud of their country (and they certainly have a right to be) I do not see why it is distasteful for Americans to be proud?

But I dislike thetype of pride that says “everyone else sucks so we are great.” THere is a buddhist koan where the teacher draws a line in the dirt. He asks the student to shorten the line without erasing any of it. THe student is stymied, but the master draws a longer line next to it, thus rendering it shorter by comparison. The point is that one becomes better not by diminishing ohters, but by bettering oneself.

Off at a tangent, although possibly relevant, at least any American can stand up and proclaim his/her pride in his/her country. In certain circles, any exclamation that one is proud to be English is met with slightly odd looks, meaning wow, this guy freely admits to being a xenophobic, anti-european, racist football hooligan. Curiously, being Scottish/Irish/Welsh is to be vociferously trumpeted. We really need a word for his/her.

Mr Z, I agree entirely. I had mistakenly lumped you in with NightGirl, Sentinel, et al, for which I apologise. FWIW, I’ve met plenty of non-Americans who are not proud of their country. It may be that people feel easier about slagging off their country to their compatriots than to foreigners.

android: Good point. Have you seen this BBC News survey? It’s remarkable not so much for the survey responses as for the fact that Jack Straw (the only man alive who is more right-wing than Michael Howard) felt comfortable saying the things he’s quoted as saying.

Johnny L.A.,

You wrote:

The Cubans love U.S. tourists. We spend lots of money over there, despite the fact that it’s against the law.

Not true. There was a law that prohibited travel to Cuba by American citizens, but that was decalred unconstitutional, many years ago. There are laws restricting whether you are allowed to spend money there and how much, but these laws are not enforced.

It’s not as easy as going to Canada, I’ll grant you that, but in general, anyone can visit Cuba if they are willing to make some compromises. If you’re going for business reasons or social work, or if you are a native of Cuba, there are almost no restrictions. If you want to go there for purely tourism, then you’ll need to find yourself a host, but these are not difficult to find. There are families who love to take in American tourists and they run their homes like Bed and Breakfasts.

I know several people who have gone and claimed it was a great experience.

Baloney. No police department is going to have “official” policies that condone or encourage the manufacture of evidence or the attack of innocent citizens.

I see your point. Let me add that I am not free to yell “FIRE” in a crowded theater, or “BOMB” in a crowded airport, or drive my car at speeds in excess of 100 miles per hour, or fire automatic weapons in city limits, …

It’s too bad that these kinds of discussions invariably degenerate into shoving matches and name calling. I’ve spent a lot of time in a lot of different countries and been exposed to a lot of different cultures. While I am happy and (yes even proud) to be an American, I know there are things that we can learn from other cultures and things that they can learn from us…

The Brittish could learn from America to make wider roads and do away with vertical shoulders (i.e. hedge rows and walls where the shoulders should be).

The Brittish could teach America a thing or two about the efficiency of roundabouts at a lot of intersections.

Japan could learn a little bit about lane discipline from America… well, maybe not, but you get my point.

America could learn a bit about fuel economy, mass transit, etc. from Japan and Europe.

Germany seems to have learned from all of these examples. Great roads, roundabouts, good lane discipline, fuel efficient cars, effective mass transit, etc…
It’s too bad that the human thing to do is look at the differences and see issues rather than seeing opportunities.

I tried to be tolerant, I really did.

NightGirl44, I was going to take your last post one item at a time, but there is so much factually and theoretically inaccurate in it I don’t know where to begin.

You have not proved that America is not the world’s largest polluter - you have highlighted individual examples of certain types of pollution, and said nothing of substance about overall totals per country. You highlight the bad in every other country in the world and ignore similar examples in your own.

World War 2? Sure, America helped out enormously with the rebuilding, but who else was going to? An expanding economy needs external markets; I’m not claiming it was the driving force behind US motives, but to believe it was pure altruism is surely just plain naive.

American oil companies ‘shoved out’? It was when the locals realised that these companies were screwing them that things changed - and your crass “camel jockeys” jibe highlights just the kind of attitude that non-Americans despise.

Britain and a small, colonial war? Um…where, exactly? The Falklands? They had been invaded by Argentina against the wishes of the population. Northern Ireland maybe? I hope not, or else you’d be guilty of one of the most ignorant over-simplifications I’ve ever seen.

You could have invaded Cuba? Woo. So now you’re saying that America holding back from invading foreign countries makes it the world’s greatest country? Boy, I’m convinced - everyone just loves the kid in school who brags about how he could beat the crap out of you but will let it pass just this once.

Billions of tons of food aid? Evidence please - you’re not getting away with making up claims here. (By the way, I’m not saying I don’t believe America has sent large amounts of aid abroad; just the “billions”).

I don’t want to paint America as any worse (or better) a country than it actually is. I would actually like to visit America again, hopefully avoiding obnoxious tourists from other countries. But please stop ranting about how everywhere else in the world is a ‘bad place’ compared to your ‘paradise’.


I never touched him, ref, honest!

Spiny Norman said:

I’ll try to lighten the mood around here a bit. There’s a great online game I’ve found called “Gay or Eurotrash?” Some guy in NYC went to Rockefeller Center with a camera and took snapshots of nine guys. The object of the game is to determine, through clothing and body language clues, whether a guy is gay or European. I highly recommend it.
www.blairmag.com/blair3/gaydar/euro.html

you have a sense of nationalism and pride in your country that is ‘banned’ here in Europe because we know what that leads to.
most people here don’t even know the melody of their national anthem. and that is good; because everyone is a person and not a nation.
if you are proud to be American, then don’t push it on us; we don’t want your way of life.
what is the purpose of your travels? to learn or to see or to export your culture?
it should be to learn. and when you learn, you need to listen. and ask. when you ask a European for directions or anything at all (that is how i experience it and all the people i know agree on this), you don’t ask, you demand and answer. at least ask them if they speak English before you continue talking. you mostly don’t even do that. and of course, you’ll get a reaction from us which leads you to think we are unfriendly. try to learn a couple of words in another language; it will broaden your horizon. and that is what travelling should do. if you’re here to see, then you better buy a book with a lot of pictures.
by the way, it is very easy to spot Americans. not necessarily by the way they dress, but by the way they walk and move. most of them don’t usually walk that much; you sit in cars all day. not only explains this why you have so many health problems related to being overweight but also that many Americans walk like ducks.

you should be free to do whatever you want to unless it invades upon the freedom of other people. the definition of that varies of course.

bj0rn - freedom of ideas

Lana said (I’ve added capitals)

You have a sense of nationalism and pride in your country that is ‘banned’ here in Europe because we know what that leads to. Most people here don’t even know the melody of their national anthem.

The is the most ridiculous generalisation i’ve ever heard in my life…as well as being broadly untrue. It’s certainly not true among the British, we certainly have a sense of nationalism and pride in our (individual) countries. I would go so far as to suggest that this may be a reason why the British are so removed from the rest of mainland Europe, but that would be false eg the French have pride in their country and are certainly nationalistic…i could go on, but we digress from the OP.

Lana,

Thank you for your stereotypes. Of course, your generalizations apply only to Americans… no?

Listening is a two way street, dear. You demonstrate that we Americans don’t have a monopoly on ignorance.

This, in part, is a classic example of the differences in cultural expectations. A polite European might ask, “Pardon me. I’m trying to find my way to such and such. If it wouldn’t be too much of an imposition, would it be possible for you to give me directions?” For the American, there is a certain efficiency of language desired. “How do I get to such and such?” is much more the norm in the U.S… Is this preciitated by a demanding attitude? No. The pleasantries are implied.

This, while not being bad advice, is culturally hypocritical. When your primary language is non English, it’s very obvious what language you should choose as your second language… in many cases essential. When English is your primary language, the choice is not so obvious. Americans are often criticized for not speaking multiple languages… I generally know some of the basics of languages in the countries I visit, but no where near conversation level, yet invariably The Japanese think I should learn Japanese as a second language, the Germans think it should be German, the choices abound: French, Italian, Chinese, Indian, Malay, Taiwanese… Logically, since I live in Texas, I should learn the Mexican dialect of Spanish. While it is not impossible for me to learn all of these languages, it is impractical, so I learn a bare minimum in each. Enough to be polite and show the people of other cultures that I respect their culture. For them to expect more is very egocentric.

Now you’re really over generalizing. I’ve visited various sights all over the world with friends from those places, often it is the locals who refuse to walk.

I leave you non Americans with this one thought: You criticize Americans for being insensitive to your cultures, yet in so doing you are exercising the same cultural insensitivity.

Just the opinions and observations of one duck-walking American…

bj0rn,

You wrote:

Precisely my point, sprinkled liberally with a bit of sarcasm. Base jumping and bungee jumping (as alluded to by Johnny LA) are outlawed because these activities pose a threat to the safety, liberties, and tax burden of innocent people.