I think it’s worth asking Octopus again: do you feel that the Civil War was basically the ‘woke’ Union (Northern liberals) imposing their ‘wokeness’ on the Confederacy (regular, decent, Christian folk) ?
If not, why not ?
ISTM that what you want is the majority to (again, still) hold your outmoded, antiquated, repressive, destructive, chauvinistic, and imperialist positions, and you want large institutions (and the world, writ large), similarly, to respond to you and yours and continue to bend to your estimable will.
In other words, your hegemony is slipping away from you and you don’t like it.
Again: when you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
The left, when in the distant era of actual liberalism and not this perverse wokeness, once would have been pro liberty. The classical liberal left expressed support for expression such as cartoons be it a cartoon of a skunk or a cartoon Mohammed. The left would have advanced sound intellectual arguments about the importance of liberty now they’d sharpen the knives used to behead.
So who, what, when, and where was this mythical left.
If you stopped using derogatory and hateful terms – terms widely decried by large numbers of Americans – are you saying that this chimerical left would have chastised you for making a choice that considered your reputation, possible harm to you, and the feelings of other people ?
Uh. No.
With rights come responsibilities. That’s something the left has always known but many on the right fail to even grasp at a rudimentary level.
And then there’s the whole “business” aspect of these topics, also lost on a “market” guy like you … curiously.
Trying to control the market again ? Good on ya’, Mate !
As we see in this thread, octopus just keeps promoting his preferred narrative and pretending that things that are happening support that narrative. And when it transpires that they don’t, he merely repeats the narrative and insists that it’s true anyway. Because repeatedly asserting a preferred and simplistic narrative regardless of evidence is easier than addressing a more nuanced and potentially uncomfortable reality.
No. Because it wasn’t about that. It was about preserving the integrity of the union. I’m very anti-secessionist.
A lot of adjectives in there that are inaccurate. You obviously don’t know what those terms mean or care if you use them in response to condemnation of capitulation to online and offline mobs. My motivation comes from a value of individual liberty and what I’m seeing more and more of is collectivism, racism from the left, hypocrisy, etc. all employed to grab power. The analogy I like to use is this modern, nutty, leftism is analogous to fundamental religions such as the middle age church or in many parts of the world Islam. Or hell, even, Reign of Terror era revolutionary France. Where all that matters is one is labeled with the right term such as witch, heretic, blasphemer, enemy of the regime…
Not at all. Because you look at this as a conflict between groups that I am not even talking about. I look at it as a conflict between pro-liberty and anti-liberty groups. I’m on the pro-liberty side unlike the majority of posters and staff here.
The “classical liberal left” has always spoken up for constitutional freedom of expression against unconstitutional infringements of such freedoms. (Most such infringements were enthusiastically promoted by conservatives, of course.)
The “classical liberal left” has never argued that private entities have a duty to publish things that they don’t want to publish.
And it’s kind of funny seeing you finger-wag at the “left” about “support for expression” shortly after your recent round of pearl-clutching about liberal “permissiveness” towards dirty lyrics in the Cardi B song “WAP”. You really have no clear idea of what you’re even trying to argue for.
But one of the many logical errors you make is this:
In the women’s equality movement, many ‘feminists’ castigated women who chose to stay home and raise their children, apparently ignorant to the idea that agency is the right to make choices for oneself and the freedom to have valid options.
Liberty includes the right of a business to accede to market forces, or – for a pretty good reason – stand firm in the face of those market forces.
So you really are just trying to rob them of their agency. I guess there really are at least two Chicago Schools, eh ?
I wasn’t pearl clutching you disingenuous fool. I was saying I find it fascinating that the woke are more ‘concerned’ about Mr. Potato Head, Aunt Jemima, and Dr. Seuss than they are about sexually explicit and relatively demeaning, one could say misogynistic, popular music. I listen to my fair share of explicit songs. I wore out my N.W.A cassette back in the day. But, I don’t hypocritically listen to that while demanding Cat in the Hat be cancelled.
See, you are an intellectual and emotional coward. You won’t post on a site where you are outnumbered. You post for social validation. Social validation is an immature need when discussing issues or adjudicating a debate.
But, I don’t hypocritically listen to that while demanding Cat in the Hat be cancelled.