Most powerful man in the world and a college intern.
I was gonna walk away from this being pro LGBT rights and all. But really???
The power imbalance is real, and Bill Clinton is an immoral shitbag. But by Trump’s own words alone, he’s much worse than Clinton. Add in all the other stuff and it’s not even close.
One has to be consistent.
You can’t claim the moral high ground if you consider Bill Clinton shooting a load on an interns blue dress to be “Consenting Adults”
Yes Trump is a homophobe piece of garbage.
What if we changed this thread to " Why are liberals obsessed with powerful men getting blow jobs from woman". ie the metoo movement.
Evangelical Christians are the only Conservatives that give a shit about gay marriage. Much to my dismay, some of them chose to chime in.
That probably explains why I think of its proper niche being predominantly the collected works of Wodehouse.
You can however claim to understand the definition of “consenting adults” if you make that claim.
Speaking of the improper labeling of Radical Reactionaries as “Conservatives”…
Not clear on what you mean
Amongst my various viewpoints, I include that same sex marriage is perfectly acceptable, whilst I disapprove of power differentials such as the above mentioned.
Did I use it right?
What about people marrying after childbearing age? Plenty of widowed or divorce people in their 60s and older marry, sometimes for love, sometimes for companionship and convenience, but in any event they are even less likely to have children than gay couples. Are you opposed to old people marrying as much as you are to gay people marrying?
I am consistent. They’re both shitty. Trump is still far worse.
Fair enough.
Gay marriage is the rule of law in this land, let the evangelical christians whine about it all they want.
My only point in participating in this thread was to say that “Conservatives” as a whole, are not obsesses with same sex marriage.
Arguable in Clinton’s case (the budget owed much of its foray into surplus territory to the dotcom boom but the deficit had been decreasing before then) but wrong in Obama’s case, where most economists agree that it was government stimulus spending that dragged us out of the recession that was entirely caused by free market capitalism.
“Democrats” and “liberals” are not necessarily synonymous terms, but yes, both Democrats and liberals have evolved in their views over the years. Conservatives - not so much. And I thought we wanted politicians that represented the will of the people?
Ah, the “Let’s you and him fight” argument. Always a good one.
And you think that’s…better?
Transmen are men. Transwomen are women. A man having sex with a transman is having gay sex. A man having sex with a transwoman is not.
Not a college intern. A White House intern, but she was out of college by then.
As already pointed out, they were definitely consenting adults, with Lewinsky instigating the affair (which also removes the insinuation that Clinton somehow used his power to coerce her into sex).
Don’t get me wrong - there were plenty of things wrong with what they did but let’s not compare a couple of horny idiots having a deeply inappropriate office affair with the guy with dozens of rape allegations against him, who bragged about sexually assaulting women and walking into women’s changing rooms where there were underaged girls changing. For all the moral ookiness of Clinton, he’s a choirboy compared to Trump.
good gravy, are listening to yourself? Lewinsky instigated the Affair? An Intern forced the most powerful man on the planet to put his dick in her mouth?
I’ll grant you Trump is a piece of shit, but Wow
Are you listening to yourself? Where did I say “forced”? Where did anyone other than you say “forced”? You are aware that two adults can agree to have sexual relations with one another without one forcing the other into it, right?
Okey Dokey, a White House intern just happened to give the most powerful man on the planet oral sex. Nothing unusual about that. Forgive me for suggesting otherwise.
Maybe you could take your hijack to one of the many Clinton/Lewinsky threads?
And in the context of this thread, I as a(non bible thumping) conservative, wasn’t particularly concerned about Bill cheating on his wife or getting a blowjob. Thats between Bill and Hilary. But I did find it odd that the National Organization for Woman, Gloria Steinman, various other “feminist” organizations didn’t seem to mind either. Some of them have come around recently, with the metoo movement
Am I speaking English? Are you speaking English? Is this thing on?
Did you pull “just happened to” from the same place you got “forced”? Lewinsky (stupidly) made sexual overtures to Clinton. She openly admits that this is what happened and that it was all at her initiative. Clinton (stupidly) accepted those overtures. That’s not in dispute. No one was “forced” into sex. It didn’t “just happen”. She didn’t trip and fall onto his dick by accident. And I didn’t claim any of those things.
As for the “usualness” of it, that really is a whole other topic, and even less relevant to this thread than this hijack is.
Okey dokey. Live with that reality, I don’t choose to debate the issue further