WHY are psome people sexually aroused by children?

[not_what_you_d_expect]

@ModernPrimate

You know, ironically enough I find it very strange and fascinating how some people are so utterly repulsed by it. I’m not trying to be ironic or anything, and I’m not trying to preach against it, I just find it hard to understand how these people get so extremely violent and do so many things when it comes to child abuse.

There are so many bad people in the world, who have murdered, done extremely negligent actions, maimed people, stolen millions, committed horrific animal abuse etc. I have never reserved special contempt for child molestors and I am not ashamed to say that, particularly where the child is over 12 and perfectly willing.

I don’t think I hold any special contempt for child molesters. They are equally as bad as murderers in my mind.

But I do take exception to the part I bolded above. When I was a 13 year old girl, I was always horny. I masturbated all the damn time. I would probably have been willing to have sex with the 23 year old fireman that worked across the street from us. That does not mean I should do so. Emotionally, no one that age is ready for the baggage that comes along with a sexual relationship. So it is up to the adult to make sure that sex with someone not emotionally ready does not happen.

[IAmError403]

@not_what_you_d_expect

I don’t think I hold any special contempt for child molesters. They are equally as bad as murderers in my mind.

But I do take exception to the part I bolded above. When I was a 13 year old girl, I was always horny. I masturbated all the damn time. I would probably have been willing to have sex with the 23 year old fireman that worked across the street from us. That does not mean I should do so. Emotionally, no one that age is ready for the baggage that comes along with a sexual relationship. So it is up to the adult to make sure that sex with someone not emotionally ready does not happen.

I agree with you. My girlfriend’s best friend in high school had slept with a neighbor who had a wife and kids. She was quite emotionally distraught when he told her that he would have to stop seeing her. She even began to blackmail him with threats that she would tell his wife about it.

At the time, I really just wanted to know as little as possible. So I am not really sure what came of it. Still, it was definitely not a situation she could deal with, but I remember I wasn’t exactly as disgusted by it as I am now. If I had the same sensibilities I have now as an adult, I would have called the cops.

Truthfully, though, I could see an adult female in the same situation, making the same choices.

[Magiver]

@not_what_you_d_expect

I don’t think I hold any special contempt for child molesters. They are equally as bad as murderers in my mind.

But I do take exception to the part I bolded above. When I was a 13 year old girl, I was always horny. I masturbated all the damn time. I would probably have been willing to have sex with the 23 year old fireman that worked across the street from us. That does not mean I should do so. Emotionally, no one that age is ready for the baggage that comes along with a sexual relationship. So it is up to the adult to make sure that sex with someone not emotionally ready does not happen.

You were hardly the exception. When I was in my 20’s and 30’s a fair number of teenager girls tried to chat me up. It’s hard to dismiss them without crushing their little ego’s but ewww. It’s not their bodies that was gross but their brains. I’m too old to remember when girls fully mature physically but it seems to me it was in the HS ages.

But I think we’re talking more about even sven’s scenario where young girls are preyed upon against their social/sexual maturity levels. It doesn’t sound like a physical attraction thing.

[Nava]

@Maggie_the_Ocelot

nod Sometimes, I think, it’s a perversion of the joy of teaching. You know how awesome it is to guide a child, to teach them a skill (like tying their shoes) or concept? The feeling that, in some small way, you have made a permanent difference in their life? There’s really nothing like it. It’s simultaneously humbling and a big ego boost.

That was a big factor for my grandfather. I don’t know he would have recognized “humbling” in his life, but he was all for ego boosts, and he’d been introduced to sex way too early himself (and with his mother involved in it, she pimped him out to neighbors in exchange for other favors).

The earliest attacks of his I know of where on one of his grandsons, 5yo at the time, but that was the other big factor, the business angle: Gramps would pay (candy) to the boy to masturbate in front of his friends - we don’t know whether there was economic payment or it was all favor-for-favor. His own personal interest didn’t start until we were 11 or so, the age at which he’d lost his virginity, and they often took the form of offering to teach us how to perform specific sex acts.

[marshmallow]

@Argent_Towers

This one comes up a lot too. And seemingly no matter what you say about it, you piss people off. Here’s my take on it:

Yes, you successfully described the stereotype. There are good evolutionary reasons for it, or just plain biologically derived ones (like the sexual drive asymmetry), but it doesn’t excuse the viciousness of the blatant hate or disgust towards ‘sexually loose’ women (which in some contexts can be just showing any interest in the topic at all).

Originally this flowed from a poster wondering why he was OK with the teacher being a woman with a boy student but not a male teacher with a girl student. There were implications that girl students are vulnerable flowers being exploited by the ruthless man getting the one thing he wants. This just may be my inner pig speaking but unless there’s signs of assault or actual coercion and especially if the girl doesn’t report it and the relationship is discovered by a third party I tend to assume the girl initiated it and conquered him. Because a male teacher would have to be crazy, stupid, or irrationally confident to try to pull that kind of stunt. If he fails and she talks he’s done. Anecdotally, when I went to HS a significant percentage of the girls wanted to jump the bones of one particular teacher. And that was just the number who were comfortable talking or joking about it out loud in mixed company. Plus there are other accounts you hear all the time about girls fawning over older men at a young age, including in this thread like not what you’d expect’s desire to fuck the fireman next door.

The asymmetry works for woman teachers and boy students too. A boy student would have to be stupid or irrationally confident to think he could successfully seduce a woman 15+ years his senior, let alone have the balls to even try. A woman teacher wouldn’t be crazy to try because she’s almost assured success. She’s just got to pick her favorite and practice discretion.

It’s funny though, no one wants to think about fucking children (the original topic). That’s just wrong. But teenager hot for teacher fantasies? People eat that up.

[furt]

@even_sven

I do think there is a bit of an undercurrent on this boards that preteen/early teen marriage of girls to older men is the natural human condition and thus somehow benign because hey man, it’s what evolution wants us to do.

Cite for it not being what evolution wants us to do?

Given the mating behavior of all other mammals, and given that the vast majority of human societies throughout history have in fact regarded women past menarche to be suitable for marriage, I think the “natural” indicator points toward post-pubescent girls mating with the most powerful male they can keep.

Mind you, I’m all in favor of moving beyond our animal nature, and the nasty, brutish and short lives the unrestrained animal nature leads to. But the point of bringing up nature and evolution is to identify where the failure lays: an adult man desiring a postpubescent girl-woman is not somehow biologically aberrant, which many like to believe. The more that belief is maintained, the less attention is paid to addressing the real problems.

[Dr.Drake]

@furt

Cite for it not being what evolution wants us to do?

Not a cite, but an assertion: women who get pregnant as soon as physically possible are less likely to survive the birth process in traditional socieites than women who get pregnant when fully physically mature.

I’m sorry I can’t provide a cite, but I’m reasonably sure of the information. I don’t know what point the risk stops being greater, though I’d guess it’s still early (15?). For evolution to care it would have to have an effect on the child, as well, and I’m less sure about that, but I’m pretty sure than motherless infancy is detrimental in at least some cases.

[ralph124c]

Why are most pedophiles so promiscuous?
Like some of them…ex-priest James Porter admitted to molesting over 100 children, in a span of about 25 years.
Even later, after marrying and having his own children-he molested them!
What cases such strong drives, especially is sch and evil way?

[IAmError403]

@Dr.Drake

Not a cite, but an assertion: women who get pregnant as soon as physically possible are less likely to survive the birth process in traditional socieites than women who get pregnant when fully physically mature.

I’m sorry I can’t provide a cite, but I’m reasonably sure of the information. I don’t know what point the risk stops being greater, though I’d guess it’s still early (15?). For evolution to care it would have to have an effect on the child, as well, and I’m less sure about that, but I’m pretty sure than motherless infancy is detrimental in at least some cases.

What is natural and what makes sense are often diametrically opposed when it comes to evolution. Long life spans are a relatively recent phenomenon, and I don’t think we’ve completely cut our vestigial ties to our primal mating habits. It makes evolutionary sense that men would want to mate with as many females as they could as quickly as possible.

One would assume that in order for evolution to work, the mothers would have to survive birth to take care of the young. But we were tribal, and it stands to reason that many of our ancestors had mothers who didn’t survive birth and were adopted by another female in the tribe.

We see that behavior in our closest relatives.

[Nava]

@Dr.Drake

Not a cite, but an assertion: women who get pregnant as soon as physically possible are less likely to survive the birth process in traditional socieites than women who get pregnant when fully physically mature.

I’m sorry I can’t provide a cite, but I’m reasonably sure of the information. I don’t know what point the risk stops being greater, though I’d guess it’s still early (15?).

Growing up, we talked about “the change” when a girl got her first period, but about “finishing the change” when she got curves. I’d assume someone like me, who had the same made-for-breeding curves at 14 as at 30, would have had it relatively easy for an early pregnancy, whereas my classmate who never developed properly due to malnourishment would have been unlikely to survive a first pregnancy without modern medical facilities at any age (both her and her sisters, also under-developed, have had all their children via cesarean). Of those in my cohort who developed without medical assistance, some were still coming into their curves in their early 20s. So for that particular group, we’d be talking about a range between 14 and 22; it would be somewhat different for other ethnicities and nutritional situations.

[IAmError403]

@ralph124c

Why are most pedophiles so promiscuous?
Like some of them..ex-priest James Porter admitted to molesting over 100 children, in a span of about 25 years.
Even later, after marrying and having his own children-he molested them!
What cases such strong drives, especially is sch and evil way?

I think the bigger question is why do parishes/churches give these evil men such access to children?

[iiandyiiii]

Why are most pedophiles so promiscuous?
Like some of them..ex-priest James Porter admitted to molesting over 100 children, in a span of about 25 years.
Even later, after marrying and having his own children-he molested them!
What cases such strong drives, especially is sch and evil way?

The thing is, we only hear about the ones who get caught- and we hear the most about the most egregious among them.

What’s really unfortunate is that for every child molester we hear about in the news, there are an unknown number- maybe a handful- that don’t get caught.

And this is the really weird part, in my mind- for every person that actually molests a child, there are an unknown number (dozens? hundreds?) that are sexually attracted to children, for whatever reason, but choose not to act on it because they know it’s wrong.

[Evil_Captor]

@Dr.Drake

For evolution to care it would have to have an effect on the child, as well, and I’m less sure about that, but I’m pretty sure than motherless infancy is detrimental in at least some cases.

I’m not seeing the logic. A woman who survives childbirth and goes on to give birth to two more children is passing on considerably more of her genes than a woman who gives birth to one child and then dies. It seems to me that evolution would select very heavily for women who could survive giving birth to children. Of course, many women right up until a century ago in the First World, did not survive childbirth, but the vast majority did … a common strategy among people in societies with high rates of infant death is to have many children in hopes that some would survive into adulthood. In fact, in medieval France in the 1300s, families did not even name children until they reached the age of five, when they had pretty much passed the age at which most infant deaths occurred.

[Dr.Drake]

@Evil_Captor

I’m not seeing the logic. A woman who survives childbirth and goes on to give birth to two more children is passing on considerably more of her genes than a woman who gives birth to one child and then dies. It seems to me that evolution would select very heavily for women who could survive giving birth to children. Of course, many women right up until a century ago in the First World, did not survive childbirth, but the vast majority did … a common strategy among people in societies with high rates of infant death is to have many children in hopes that some would survive into adulthood. In fact, in medieval France in the 1300s, families did not even name children until they reached the age of five, when they had pretty much passed the age at which most infant deaths occurred.

I think you missed my point. If a culture expects 12-year-olds to get pregnant, a disproportionate number of thirteen-year-olds will die giving birth. Both the individuals who wait a few years to marry and the cultures who don’t allow such early marriages will thus have an evolutionary advantage.

Your point, that evolution rewards bearing children early and often, is also true, but evolutionarily there’s a huge difference between “25% die in childbirth” and “5% die in childbirth.” Are there actual statistics on risk of death in traditional childbirth by age? I would imagine that, like anything else, the oldest and youngest ages are most at risk.

[IAmError403]

@Dr.Drake

I think you missed my point. If a culture expects 12-year-olds to get pregnant, a disproportionate number of thirteen-year-olds will die giving birth. Both the individuals who wait a few years to marry and the cultures who don’t allow such early marriages will thus have an evolutionary advantage.

Your point, that evolution rewards bearing children early and often, is also true, but evolutionarily there’s a huge difference between “25% die in childbirth” and “5% die in childbirth.” Are there actual statistics on risk of death in traditional childbirth by age? I would imagine that, like anything else, the oldest and youngest ages are most at risk.

Evolution doesn’t grantee a species survives indefinitely Certainly there could be natural motivators that make some men attracted to much younger females and it may indeed be detrimental for the species because of it.

Also, this has more to do with the males desire to mate with the females and not the females to desire to live. The most aggressive males genes were likely the ones passed on most often. Even if the girl often died during birth, I would assume that statistically enough women survived that they were able to make up for the deaths of the other females at earlier ages by producing even more offspring.

I mean we’re all here as proof and there is evidence supporting that much younger females were giving birth back then.

[Evil_Captor]

@Dr.Drake

I think you missed my point. If a culture expects 12-year-olds to get pregnant, a disproportionate number of thirteen-year-olds will die giving birth. Both the individuals who wait a few years to marry and the cultures who don’t allow such early marriages will thus have an evolutionary advantage.

Your point, that evolution rewards bearing children early and often, is also true, but evolutionarily there’s a huge difference between “25% die in childbirth” and “5% die in childbirth.” Are there actual statistics on risk of death in traditional childbirth by age? I would imagine that, like anything else, the oldest and youngest ages are most at risk.

Fair enough. Makes sense.

[wrokro]

Id like to add something i am not seeing.

kids are pure and innocent and a LOT of “pedos” dont want to corrupt them. they are just attracted to them. just like another kid could be attracted to a kid.
Of course throw adult physiology and hormones in the mix and you have a confusing situation for the kid and “pedo”. but still SOO many wouldnt ever make a kid do something they would regret. nothing sexual. you just cant fathom that huh?

i mean…when you go to the bar and you see some ditzy party girl yelling yolo drunk off her ass complaining about stupid shit and acting slutty…its easy to see.

women grow up and most of them turn less mature imo. when you loose the kindness, playful innocence and become “real” and “down to earth” you are just getting more complicated and giving up on ideals and beauty. not cause they are impossible. cause we want too much BS. We create our own problems. We complain about those problems. we pass our problems on like our heirlooms and genes. it goes from adult to kid, never the other way around. i guarantee most kids are hurt, scarred and damaged far worse by society and the news and often their own parents. and yes, the sexually too. but goddamn. its not at the top of the list by any means. war, genocide, intolerance, avarice…EVERY bad thing.

Do you have a little girl or boy? is not their innocence refreshing? do you think they are oblivious? Do you need to invade a country or hate a race of people to work as a fireman or an astronaut? Do you need to compete with everyone to live in peace and productivity? No…its important as a grown up to have more than you need, be callous, fixed in your ideas, arrogant…

are you going to just raise them like everyone else? happiness= comparative success, having more than your neighbor. Privacy is king?

YES YOU ARE IDC WHO YOU ARE THEY WILL BECOME YOU CAUSE OF WHO YOU LET YOURSELF BE

You will teach them to hate, have an attitude, be violent, steal, and that their imaginations, sense of wonder, trust, compassion even dont fit into this world.

Cause thats what happens to you. Self important, hypocritical, greedy, closed off, self centered, racist, vindicative, i could go on. Do you think kids come like that?

so make sure you dont call someone a pedophile and the only thing wrong with them is they think being an adult in the US (and other countries) is disgusting. it is. Put your pitchforks and revenge and self important veiled excuses to indulge in violence away. A lot of people who are attracted to kids cause they are kids themselves at heart will cause 10x less damage than your average adult. and there are some of THOSE kids at heart (with adult bodies) who arent aware of themselves enough to control themselves

NONE of these people im talking about are the abusers, objectifiers, or sociopaths. There are those out there.

Some people touted as monsters probably only needed to REALLY understand that its not a mutual expression of love with a child if it is sexual or erotic, etc
And your going to hate me for this im sure…but with the demonizing of pedophiles comes the implication that being touched sexually if your not ready or too young is defilement and an expression of true evil and disgusting.
Rather if you all just treated it like it is, a disorder that it is the kid would feel weird, pain (and yes physical/sexual pain if it was really bad) and confusion … but not like they just were intimate with osama bin laden. pity and extreme sorrow can TELL a kid its worse than it is.
bottom line is you got the problem so so so so so wrong. but you all want something to hate. stupid, see things in black and white and you take someo

[wrokro]

i didnt finish lol.

you could take a molested kid who feels confused, awkward, and afraid and add defiled, touched by the devil. Adults are the ones who make virginity into the sick trophy it is. weather youve kept it or taken it. your a f**king hero or you are a GOOD GIRL/WOMAN. Guess what that does to them?

[wrokro]

Why are most pedophiles so promiscuous?

Like some of them…ex-priest James Porter admitted to molesting over 100 children, in a span of about 25 years.
Even later, after marrying and having his own children-he molested them!
What cases such strong drives, especially is sch and evil way?

Dude…wtf. you cant just throw something SO huge like “most pedophiles are promiscuous” and back it up with the most extreme example you can think of.

Like some of them…ex-priest James Porter admitted to molesting over 100 children, in a span of about 25 years.

That is not SOME of them. That is ONE of them.

Stop arguing and have a discussion. Sensationalism…ugh. Im gonna call you Yahoo News

For the record I dont think most pedophiles are any more promiscuous than other adults. that is my opinion Yahoo News.

[boytyperanma]

Do you just search the internet for debates on pedophilia? You realize no one has participated in this thread for over 5 years. Multiple people no longer even participate here. The person you quoted can’t even respond if he wanted to.

You chose this thread as your inspiration to join this board so you can play devil’s advocate? I don’t expect your stay to be very long.