So what did you think of my bump stocks for suppressors trade? Would you make that deal?
So is flouncing off in a huff when you can’t come up with anything useful to say.
His “I come from a place of wisdom, human reason” did come across tinged with a pretty heavy dose of arrogance, but I’m not quite as ready to give up on him as I am on ElvisL1ves, yet.
Oh, I’m still here big guy…if any reasonable poster wants to discuss further I’m game. You though? No thanks. And Settimo seems cut from the same clothe. I’m unsure how anyone could read his post and think ‘well, that really addresses the point and so eloquently as well!’ 
If the anti-gun side were able to convince me that they bargain in good faith, here are a couple trades I would offer:
- Re-open the machine gun registry so that new machine guns can be produced and sold to civilians and we will agree to raise the age of ownership to 21 for all guns. That is to say, that one may not purchase or permanently possess a firearm until age 21. The language will have to be tweaked so that it isn’t a crime for a child to learn to hunt and shoot under the supervision of an adult.
- Legalize national carry (NYC, Philly, NJ, etc can’t refuse to honor it) and, in exchange, we will agree that the Federal CCW require some agreed upon reasonable amount of training. This will not supersede or replace state level permits. It will simply put those who wish to take the trouble to get it on the same footing as retired cops.
Someone actually posted here, in all apparent seriousness, letting 21 year olds have machine guns.
Did you know that the only thing stopping most 21-year-olds from purchasing machine guns today is a lack of funds and / or desire?
They can have them now, if they have the money. That has always been the case, even before Reagan closed the registry.
And here I thought it was because companies aren’t allowed to manufacture them any more? Scumpup’s proposal was that new ones be made-Are you for this?
I wish I could see ElvisL1ves’ face right now.
Anti-gun people would do well to actually have a knowledge of the gun laws as they exist already. Then the dialog wouldn’t involve arguing against what they believe the situation to be rather than what the situation is.
The pool of pre-1986 machine guns is still freely bought and sold. Yes, I would like to see new ones available even if there are no other changes to the NFA.
Just to clarify: new ones aren’t currently allowed to be sold to civilians (but still can be manufactured, and are, for sale to law enforcement / military), but there were a bunch in civilian hands prior to the '86 ban, and those still trade hands regularly (and at wildly-inflated prices). You might already know this, but it sounds like ElvisL1ves did not, and I imagine a good number of other Dopers were unaware as well.
Sure, I’d trade 18-20 year old possession for re-opening the registry. Would you?
ETA: beat by Scumpup
Do you share the goal of reducing murders or don’t you? Because this is hardly the way to do it, by proposing things that will increase it in “exchange” for things that will decrease it, while claiming to be the “side” acting in good faith. If you do want to reduce murders, we can find ways together. If you don’t, then, well, keep doing what you’re doing.
…at highly inflated prices because of their rarity. Your proposal would make it even easier to acquire them.
I’m with XT. There are other people in this thread who, for a variety of reasons, are better choices with whom to interact.
Sure, but there are some things I won’t accept, even as a means for achieving that end.
I know I’m late to the party, but I’m genuinely curious (and obviously ignorant) of some terminology here…
Upthread, in post #118, HurricaneDitka listed ‘Nationwide CCW reciprocity’ on his wish list. Now here you are asking to ‘legalize national carry’. I’m assuming that these two terms are not the same thing. Can you explain the difference? If one is implemented, is the other needed?
I said with no other changes to the NFA. Are you aware of all the steps and time involved in buying a machine gun? If not, please do your research. I’m done arguing against people’s imaginary idea of how the present laws work.
He wants all the states to simply recognize each other’s permits. I am fine with that. I am talking about a Federal permit similar to what cops and retired cops presently enjoy.