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Well, i guess you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine, but when someone writes that he is curious why i said “baseball now sucks” instead on why “major league baseball now sucks” was there something in the OP that lead him to believe that i was talking about anything other than major league baseball? is he really curious? or does he just want to show how clever and politically correct that he is? wow! great! you play baseball instead of watching it. I am extremely impressed. what does that have to do with the topic? as i said i could make the topic a paragraph long so that every nitpicking doper could parse it to see where i might have left him an opening to show how insightful, analytical and ingenious (and of course, smarter than everyone else) he is or i could write a brief headline to atttract those who might have an interest in a topic. i chose brevity.
as to controlling what others do, i don’t really care what you do, i just don’t understand why you can’t just get with the spirit of a particular post. i did not post in great debates because i was not interested in a debate, i was interested in what people, other than myself think is the problem with major league baseball. I even went to the trouble of stating that the thread was not for pointing out the good things. I know there are many things that are great about the game and i could have listed those, but i was more interested in what people think ought to be changed, improved, corrected and where the fault lies for the current condition of the game. thanks to those who answered in the spirit of the thread and fuck you to the argumentative nitpicking few.
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silenus isn’t the one who made the distinction between playing baseball and MLB. You may have already known that, but it wasn’t clear from the context of your post.
It’s one thing to ask that a thread not get hijacked. However, you made, in your OP, a rather definitive statement that baseball sucks, followed by several brief “reasons.” You’re asking an awful lot to expect people on this board to ignore that and not try to understand where you’re coming from.
Let’s see…you post an opinion that the vast majority of the respondents disagree with, backed up by 14 “reasons,” 11 of which are irrelevant or just plain wrong, and you expect everybody to just accept that and not comment? After 300+ posts here you should have known that wasn’t going to cut it. We’re not here to help support your delusions. Look for enablers elsewhere. When you come back, bring evidence and argumentation to back up your OP and maybe you’ll get a response more in line with what you are looking for.
what is it that you douchebags don’t understand about the word opinion? it is just one person’s perspective.
according to my Oxford American dictionary “opinion” = “a belief or judgment that is held firmly but without a verifiable proof of its truth.”
that is the whole point of an opinion - no way to verify its correctness or mistakenness. i posted this in IMHO - i was not looking for a debate. is this impossible to understand?
If i were making an argument you guys might have a point - but if that were the case i would provide more facts to support the argument. I was not doing so and have no interest in doing so.
Well I do think the OP has done his best to kill this interesting thread by being a dick.
Just wanted to say, re the intentional walk, that I personally hope they keep on throwing four balls so I can enjoy moments like this afternoon’s Dodger game, when the pitcher apparently missed the sign for an intentional walk and threw a fast ball at the umpire’s crotch. Golden.
[QUOTE=denquixote]
that is the whole point of an opinion - no way to verify its correctness or mistakenness. i posted this in IMHO - i was not looking for a debate. is this impossible to understand?
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And in my Humble Opinion you are wrong and a dick as well. If your opinions are as wrong elsewhere as they are here, you are going to have substantial trouble getting any threads going that don’t get immediately derailed by people calling you on your bullshit. Capisce?
[QUOTE=denquixote]
If i were making an argument you guys might have a point - but if that were the case i would provide more facts to support the argument. I was not doing so and have no interest in doing so.
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Then shut the fuck up.
What is that you don’t understand about the concept of a Message Board? When you post something, people are going to respond to it, whether they agree or disagree. When you post nonsensical shit like you did, more are going to disagree than agree. You don’t get to tell them that they’re only allowed to agree, in any forum.
And learn how to use capital letters, dumb squat. Most people master that skill in grade school.
[QUOTE=denquixote]
what is it that you douchebags don’t understand about the word opinion? it is just one person’s perspective.
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“We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our informed opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it’s nothing. It’s just bibble-babble…” - - Harlan Ellison
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Well, don’t they now have two LA teams, since the non-Dodger club changed their name to the Los Angeles and Anaheim Angels of The Greater Metropolitan Basin Encompassing Zip Codes Between 90001 And 92899 Among Others?
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Or as I like to call them, “The The Angels Angels.”
What is that you don’t understand about the concept of a Message Board? When you post something, people are going to respond to it, whether they agree or disagree. When you post nonsensical shit like you did, more are going to disagree than agree. You don’t get to tell them that they’re only allowed to agree, in any forum.
And learn how to use capital letters, dumb squat. Most people master that skill in grade school.
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I’ll definitely be taking a lot of advice from the guy who wants to know “do hogs jerk when they piss” or discuss “defecation after competitive eating.” Your intellectual acumen is astounding. I just wish I could meet that lofty standard. If anyone deserves a muzzle and should “shut the fuck up” it’s you.
[QUOTE=Telemark]
“We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our informed opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it’s nothing. It’s just bibble-babble…” - - Harlan Ellison
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And I agree with Harlan, but I was in no mood to write a treatise on the subject. Does that mean I can’t post an idea? The word I used discussing my opinion was verifiable. An “expert opinion” is something else. E.g. if I wanted an opinion about defecating or pissing I would ask Freddy The Pig.
I LOVE inter-league play. I loved seeing the Yankees and Red Sox come to Dodger Stadium. I have always felt that I shouldn’t have to wait for that improbable Word Series match up to see some other teams come to town.
I have never understood the ‘inter-league play cheapens the Word Series’ argument. It doesn’t cheapen the Super Bowl or the NBA Finals or the Stanley Cup…why would the fact that 2 teams met earlier in the year be a bad thing? Especially if something happened and there a bit of bad blood between them!
Ya know what really sucks? The unbalanced schedule. THAT has cheapened some rivalries. Even the Dodger\Giants rivalry (which, to be honest, S.F. fans take more seriously than L.A. fans) becomes…blah…when the teams play each other EIGHTEEN FUCKING TIMES!!! I even heard Vin Scully say “Here we are in San Francisco…AGAIN”.
It’s a system that favors weak divisions over strong ones. I like the wild card a lot, but a bubble team in the strong NL West is gonna have to fight a lot harder to get it than a bubble team in the weak NL Central.
I would prefer a real balanced schedule, where every team plays every other team the same number of times, regarless of league or division. Of course, I would also prefer that the 4 top teams in each league make the playoffs, *even if * 3 are from the same division. You shouldn’t get points for having weaker opponents.
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And I think there should be a salary cap.
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Amen, brother.
Though I did like how the New York Yankees, who have a payroll equivalent to a mid sized nations gross national product, lost in the 2001 and 2003 World Series to the small market Diamondbacks and Marlins. If we had a salary cap, which I want but won’t happen, I’m not sure I’d be able to hate the Yankees as much, and I’d probably miss that.
My two favorite teams? The Atlanta Braves and whoever is playing the Fuckin’ Yankees.
[QUOTE=denquixote]
The word I used discussing my opinion was verifiable.
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But the most of the points you raised were out-of-date, unsupported, or simply wrong. Verifiably so. You were called on it and found wanting, get over it.
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My two favorite teams? The Atlanta Braves and whoever is playing the Fuckin’ Yankees.
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I’m all for the idea of numerous interleague games between the the Braves and Yankees.
No matter who wins, something good has come of it.
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Ya know what really sucks? The unbalanced schedule. THAT has cheapened some rivalries. Even the Dodger\Giants rivalry (which, to be honest, S.F. fans take more seriously than L.A. fans) becomes…blah…when the teams play each other EIGHTEEN FUCKING TIMES!!!
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I’m curious as to why you think this is. I’ve been to many Dodgers/Giants games in LA and witnessed lots of fights and lots of trash talk from both sides. This past weekend, I went to my first Dodgers/Giants game in SF, and the fans were about as civil as I could imagine. Not a single Giants fan harassed me, not even in a fun, joking way. The only Dodger fan they got pissed at was the drunk one* sitting behind me who kept standing up and yelling, “What’s the matter with the Giants? THEY’RE ALL BUMS!” He got removed eventually. The most riled up their fans ever seemed to get is when the “Beat LA” chant got going in the late innings.
*That wasn’t you, silenus, was it?
Not me. I was at home watching the game on TV. I have witnesses!
(OK, they’re cats, but they still saw me here during the game. I’m innocent, I tell you! Innocent!)
But spooje is right…Giant fans take the rivalry a bit more seriously than we do. They have to…they’re the ones who keep losing!
(Well, since the moves to the West Coast. Out here we are up 446 to 418.)
Um, my point back on page two was that baseball and MLB are not synonymous, and that if you care to do a little looking around the area in which you live, you can probably find baseball being played at a very high level that does not, indeed, suck.
Even using your definition of suck.
Instead, you chose to have a cow. Man, what a dick you are.
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Um, my point back on page two was that baseball and MLB are not synonymous, and that if you care to do a little looking around the area in which you live, you can probably find baseball being played at a very high level that does not, indeed, suck.
Even using your definition of suck.
Instead, you chose to have a cow. Man, what a dick you are.
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Wel it certainly was a refreshing insight. Who would ever have thought that. Thanks for making such a valuable point.
[QUOTE=spooje]
I LOVE inter-league play. I loved seeing the Yankees and Red Sox come to Dodger Stadium. I have always felt that I shouldn’t have to wait for that improbable Word Series match up to see some other teams come to town.
I have never understood the ‘inter-league play cheapens the Word Series’ argument. It doesn’t cheapen the Super Bowl or the NBA Finals or the Stanley Cup…why would the fact that 2 teams met earlier in the year be a bad thing? Especially if something happened and there a bit of bad blood between them!
Ya know what really sucks? The unbalanced schedule. THAT has cheapened some rivalries. Even the Dodger\Giants rivalry (which, to be honest, S.F. fans take more seriously than L.A. fans) becomes…blah…when the teams play each other EIGHTEEN FUCKING TIMES!!! I even heard Vin Scully say “Here we are in San Francisco…AGAIN”.
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That would be a pretty amazingly stupid thing for Vin Scully, of all people, to say. Eighteen games against a direct opponent is quite normal in baseball terms. For sixty years, under the old 154-game system, teams played every other team in the league twenty-two times. From 1961/1962 to 1968, under the ten-team league, 162-game system, they played every other team 18 times. Divisional play then introduced a system of playing every divisional opponent 18 times, and every interdivisional opponent 12 times. The 14-team-two-division system, introduced in the AL from 1977 to 1993 and the NL in 1993, was the first time in baseball history you played direct opponents less than 18 times. And it was only down to 13.
18 games against a direct rival dates back to 1901, so in and of itself it’s a weird thing to complain about.
