Why can't we all just get along?

Please don’t think me a Pollyanna for asking this question, because there are some people with whom I just can’t get along. Usually, it’s because I feel that person has done me wrong in some way. But why can’t I always overcome my humanity and “be the bigger person” (as my dad would say)?

For whatever reasons, mankind has been hurting each other, mentally, physically, and emotionally, for as long as there’s been mankind on a societal level as well as individual level: through war, greed, conquest, violence, cruelty, etc. Why is this? Wouldn’t it be simpler and more pleasant if we could all treat each other with respect and dignity?

So, I’m interested to hear your thoughts or theories, be it philosophical, theological, or biological as to why we can’t all just get along.

But just think how boring studying history would be if nothing had ever happened. Wars are great, I love wars. I think we should have them more often. But, good though wars are, I like revolutions even more.

Well, let me jump in before someone says “religion” and leaves.

Humans are, after all, an animal, and a very social one, at that. We are hard wired to have a social structure, and necessarily be competitive (primarily the males, of course :wink: I think that is the most basic desire. We are wired to compete within the tribe for power, and between tribes for resources. As we become a more complex society, we still revert to tribal instincts - basically, us vs. them. This is very evident in racism, but it also appears as regionalism - basically, any competition.

So you have a tribal element telescoping up. You have a heirarchy within the family. The family has a place within the community. The community, within the town. The town within the city. The city within the county. And so on and so on - each step you get a group tribal mentality to be better than the next group over. The same fierceness that makes Stanford graduates uneducated trash to Berkeley students drives international conflict, and it can get pretty fierce sometimes.

The other factor is greed, which plays into the above - My hypothesis is that in evolutionary terms, having the most food/water/women makes you more likely to survive. As you begin to see other things as necessary to survival, you always want more of it to ensure your position.

I think that all of these problems come from our very nature, not any kind of social teaching or the like. No matter who you are, there is always someone who you end up competing with, and no matter how much of something you have, you always need to get more. It says some bad t hings about humanity, but those are not impossible to overcome. You just need to know how to channel your desires into the right paths.

I’ve seen a few studies about this, but I don’t have any cites right now, so neer. :slight_smile:

I think you should have the opportunity to observe one right from the middle of it.

My son is highly charismatic and aloof. He attracts a strong loyal following of peers who vie for the honor of being in his presence.
My son is highly possessive, volatile and spiteful. He will use every means available to him to protect his own interests.
My son is 5. He exhibits these qualities more so than other kids his age. Assuming his personality does not change substantialy (he has good values & strong ethics, he’s just very protective of ‘his own’) he could easily develop into a well-insulated and persuasive leader who would not hesitate to clash with another person just like him. He persuades his people to fight the other person’s people and presto: a war.

My 2 cents is gonna be that, in general, individuals want to protect their own supply of wealth, privilege, hunting grounds, M&Ms…whatever, and will defend those interests with varying degrees of cunning, ferocity or else surrender them to a believable show of cunning or ferocity greater than what they can imagine delivering themselves. This can take the form of troglodytes bashing rival cave dwellers for rabbit-rights; or really any other group wanting to maintain and enhance its own supply of whatever it is that it values: petrolium, political ideology, freedom from the presence and strange practices of Jews, Mongols, Americans, Homos, etc.

Ignorance also plays a part. We fear what we don’t understand, we feel threatened by what we fear, we act preemptively to establish dominance over what we fear so that it will not harm us. Some folks feel that violence is a necessary part of this process. Sometimes those folks end up in the care of Qadgop the Mercotan, and sometimes they end up getting re-elected.

Touche :slight_smile:

Although, I wouldn’t mind being part of a revolution (if I supported the cause). I remember watching the Romanian revolution a few years ago on live TV. When they kicked out all the communist goons and finally launched an assault on the Parliament building on Christmas day and the TV cameras were right there with them all the way in.

That was a pretty cool revolution.

The answer seems pretty simple: Darwin - the more aggressive survive, prosper and fuck over the weak. Maybe less so now but for 10s of thousands of years.

We, today, are the genetic inheritance of successful aggression, imho.

Lack of trust, I think it boils down to that; Crahn the caveman looked at Hoj funny the other day so Hoj thought Crahn was up to no good, so he build up a fence around his pit just in case; Crahn sees the fence and thinks that Hoj must be hidding something from him and recent appears… after a while we have two cavemen whacking the daylights out of each other with clubs.

Fast forward to this age, why countries have armies? because there´s fear that someone will come and do nasty things with the population, but once a country has an army the countries around feel treatened by it so they build bigger armies, and so forth… and you know the saying, when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail; so those armies that began (usually) as a defense are sooner or later used for offense.

As I said it´s lack of trust in each other, we don´t we can´t trust the person standing next to us won´t harm us; we set up defenses or take the iniciative with an offense.

CG: Read Chimpanzee Politics: Power and Sex Among Apes by Frans De Waal. I think you’ll understand the human situation a lot better afterwards.

Wow, great answers! So far we have:
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[li]competition;[/li][li]survival instinct;[/li][li]ignorance;[/li][li]and lack of trust[/li][/ul]

I can see these reasons in many of the problems I’ve personally had getting along. Is there any reason to think that there are better solutions to these problems/challenges than inhumanity? Maybe I’m just being a wuss here, but I think there is value in treating everyone with respect and dignity.

My biggest hurdle is overcoming the animosity I feel towards my ex. He’s mean and self-centered. Even though I sympathize with what perhaps made him mean and self-centered, I cannot like him. There were terrible things said and done. There have been times I’ve even wished him dead, much to my chagrin. However, I’ve tried, for the most part, to be kind to him as another human being even while I was being hurt. I feel that it’s made me a better person because of it. So in my own little world, I’ve overcome the lack of trust and ignorance that caused my inhumanity to another. I don’t know if this makes me a survivor because I will not be beaten down by someone else’s callousness or what.

But if I can do it, and surely there are so many out there who do too, will inhumanity ultimately prevail?

As far as survival of the fittest goes, I can understand that when faced with a battle of sorts, the fitter will usually survive. But fit in what way? Isn’t outwitting your opponent and winning as plausible as beating them down. Okay, if someone attacks you with intent to harm, you either run or fight, right? If you can’t run and talking sense into them doesn’t work, I guess you have to get physical. But I don’t really think the inhumanity here lies in defending yourself, it’s in the attack itself. Why does the attacker have so little value for human life? What makes someone think that human life has less value than a pair of shoes? Or a patch of grass? Or an idea? Or anything else that can be shared and avoid intense hardship on another?

I wonder if aggression can be unlearned by a community as a whole. And how do we do that?

Anyway, I didn’t know if there was going to be any debate arising out of this, but I find it interesting that even in a community like this where bright people come specifically to debate and share information, there still seems to be a quite a bit of intelligent debate that disintegrates into argument, then to spitefulness, name-calling, baiting and all manner of unseemly behavior. It seems that even the best of us cannot always overcome what seems to be inherent in our very nature.

Note to Zagadka: I know there’s been a lot of intense discussion about religion and God, and no doubt you’ve felt as hot under the collar about it as I. But hang in there. You seem to be a gracious person and I hope you can continue maintain a sense of compassion and composure throughout. There are many who struggle together. :slight_smile:

Sounds interesting. Care to elaborate on it for those of us who haven’t read it? Does the book come up with any conclusions other than what seems obvious (we are products of evolution?)? How did this make you feel about the human condition: hopeful or resigned?

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I wish I had something useful to add, sorry…I just want to say to London that on my wish list of “If I could change my user names”, because of your post, I will add: InheriterOfSuccessfulAgression! LOVE it! :smiley:

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[dammit moment] I knew I should have check MerriamWebster!! InheritorofSuccessfulAggression [moment over]

Sociopaths have understandings you shall never dream of.

And we will never tell you.

Yeah. Sorry to chime in with a “me too” post, but the above posts, while certainly thoughtful and probably true most of the time, don’t account for just plain evil people that are wandering around out there. I mean folks who kill other folks because they like it. Not Klansmen who lynch niggers in the swamp–they fall into the category of the ignorant & afraid and have allowed themselves to dehumanize other homosapiens. I’m referring to the folks that prey on humans for other needs–possibly they have dehumanized everyone else but themselves? Are they to be considered radicals of evolution ala Natural Born Killers? We are not machines, so I hesitate to use the term “wired,” but maybe humans are just plain xenophobic by nature and are mellowed a bit by our desire as individuals for order?

After tens of thousands of years, it hasn’t yet.

If you think about it, humans are fairly successful social creatures. Our numbers continue to grow, but we live together about as well as we ever have. Things aren’t getting worse by any objective measure.

People tend to talk about how horrible we are to each other because that’s sort of the cool, cynical Internet personality thing to say. All in all, however, humans get along reasonably well. You may not like your ex, but you didn’t bite off his head like a black widow.

I can add another one to the list: boredom.

I’m thinking of the people who pick fights because they can’t think of anything better to do with their time, or the people who wage wars and engage in terrorist activity to promote whatever stupid-ass cause because it give a meaning and direction to their otherwise pointless lives.

Well, there’s an insight. That oughta help resolve the terrorism problem.

We are farily successful, yes, though I think this largely has to do with the limited number of humans you can cram into a given area. Once urbanization kicked in, we had some major social upheavels that still haven’t stopped. Hell, the difference between the social atmospheres in a tenement, apartment, and residential neighborhood are fairly striking.

For some reason, I just got an image of some scientists in urban camo crawling around alleys behind apartment complexes and observing humans in their native environments O_o I think I need some sleep.

One Yogini - I fear you’re one yogini short of a full class :wink: