why can't you toke a smoke?

I still think a large part of the reason the two smoke differently can be extrapolated from the different effects the two have:

“The study also found that marijuana smoke and that of tobacco affected the lungs in different ways. Tobacco smoke predominantly caused degeneration of the peripheral airways and alveolated regions of the lung, while marijuana smoke affected mainly the large pathways. Because these two drugs affect different parts of the pulmonary system, their damaging effects can be additive.”

The Physiological Effects of Cannabis Consumption, citing National Institute of Drug Abuse Research Findings on Smoking of Abused Substances. Editors: C. Nora Chiang, Ph.D. and Richard L. Hawks, Ph.D. 1990. page 72

As for the comparison between weight and volume, etc.,his page says this:

“Marijuana users typically do not smoke anywhere near the volume of marijuana as tobacco smokers smoke tobacco. One joint usually has about half the smokable substance as one tobacco cigarette. But because marijuana is not usually filtered and users tend to hold the marijuana in their lungs for longer periods of time, up to four times as much tar can be deposited in the lungs per ounce of smoked marijuana as an ounce of tobacco.”

–citing Wu TC, Tashkin DP, Djahed B, Rose JE. 1988. Pulmonary hazards of smoking marijuana as compared with tobacco. New England Journal of Medicine 318:347-351.

Tashkin is also cited on this page:

“Anti-marijuana propagandists like to say that one joint per day is equivalent to one pack a day of cigarettes. This myth misrepresents a study by Dr. Tashkin, which found that one-joint-per-day marijuana smokers experienced a “mild but significant” increase in airflow resistance in the large airways greater than that seen in persons smoking 16 cigarettes today. However, the same study found that marijuana smokers did much better in other measures of respiratory health. A more accurate comparison based on studies by Dr. Tashkin’s group is that marijuana smokers absorb four times as much tar in their lungs than cigarette smokers per weight smoked.13 Given that a typical joint weighs about .4 - .5 grams, one-half as much as a tobacco cigarette, a rough equivalence is 2 cigarettes = 1 joint.”

I am reasonably convinced by the above comparison, which would put a cigarette at about one gram of smokeable substance. Note also that the above cited study is misquoted by anti-dopers because of the effects on the large airways of potsmokers’ lungs, allowing anti-dopers to make a 16 to 1 comparison. Dope smoke doesn’t go to the more sensitive parts of the lungs as much as cigarette smoke does. That’s my story, and I’m stickin’ to it.

Yeah, if it’s a damned pussy joint.
And allow me to restate the DopeFest idea- not an actual ‘DopeFest’ gathering of dopers at someone’s house, but a bunch of us sitting at our computers, having a synchronized toke. We could have a thread for it.

jb

Aw, geez. Are you guys trying to get me fired, or the Reader pissed, or what.

No, we could not have a thread for it.

Help a guy out, willya?

If only we had a smiley which smacked it’s head repeatedly against a brick wall, yelling “STUPID STPUID STUPID!”

Manhattan, sorry.

Gezzus, I’m on a moderator-pissing-off roll! I gotta knock this off…
jb

Naw, I knew you weren’t really gonna do it.

Or if you did, you’d do it in a non-affiliated chat room that you set up by email.

::cough::manhattan91@hotmail.com::cough::

do we have eToking yet? cuz I’ve been thinking of a way to repay you mods. hmmmmmm…
jb,
feverishly brainstorming, forgetting how he did in CS20

Well, one joint might be equivelant to two cigarettes, as far as tar, but most smokers I know smoke a pack or two a day, I don’t believe I have ever smoked ten or twenty joints in a day.

I have to disagree that a joint half the size of a cigarette is a ‘pussy’ joint. The only times I have rolled a joint as big as a cigarette are when I am sharing it with several people, or if it is weak weed. When I get good stuff I roll them skinny.

well, I guess different stroke for different folks,

and different tokes for different blokes.

re catnip and oregano: Different hoax for different smokes.
that’s all I got.
jb,
just waking, about to be baking
p.s.- shit, I feel like Jesse Jackson

Well, I’m all for the “eTokeFest.” What chat room is it gonna be in?

What I have found with marijuana in general is that if you draw the smoke into your lungs too slowly or take a hit from a pipe/joint/bong and then don’t inhale or release the carb, the smoke in your mouth feels very harsh and makes your throat feel very dry, almost as if you can feel all of the different smoke particles. It also inevitably leads to a cough or two for me. Cigarettes (especially menthols) leave an unpleasant taste in the back of my throat no matter what I do. The only cigarettes I have found that don’t do this are Camel Lights. But whatever, to each his own.