You don’t care? You don’t think the term pigeonholes people? You don’t think it reduces millions of people to something as simple as their country of origin, or the country of origin of their ancestors?
You don’t get the difference between ethnicity and skin color? Seriously?
You’re dodging the question.
No, I am not. There are different categories are they not? I am not the one making the claim that black is sufficiently homogenous to be what is commonly referred to as an ethnicity. I think blacks and whites and whatever other shade of skin tone you’d like to reference have many ethnic origins.
My friend Allen is descended from slaves. What’s his ethnic origin? I’ll happily refer to him by his country of origin if anyone can tell me what that is.
Now you’re just trying to embarrass octopus because none of his best friends are Black.
American could suffice. African American if more specificity of region of origin is desired. What precise nation/tribe/ethic group beyond that I’m not sure it matters TBH. There is 23 and me I suppose.
I’m a white (with a decent tan) American and I don’t know nor really care about the countries my distant ancestors resided in. I’m not really sure what I would be classified as if we were trying to narrow the categorization.
Elon Musk is African American. Why can’t we have a term that’s specific to Americans descended from slaves? Not a term that pigeonholes them, or reduces their existance to a single facet. But a term that describes the shared experience of all Americans who suffered for generations based not on their ethnic origins, but solely by the color of their skin?
African-American works for some people, but others prefer Black. I see no problem in honoring that categorization.
Because you are making the assumption that their life history is a function of their skin color. Furthermore, it’s an embarrassing example of US-centric thinking that’s far too prevalent.
Not any more than saying that a Chinese-American’s life history is a function of their ethnic background. It’s a term to describe a shared experience that some people find useful. That’s all. Your opposition really just says that you don’t think Black people in America have a shared experience worth categorizing.
If a sloppy standard of may have had an ancestor of similar phenotype that was mistreated is sufficient for the creation of an ethnicity which would appropriately be a proper adjective perhaps woman ought to be capitalized as well.
Let me know when that issue is on the table. Doesn’t seem like anyone’s asking for that right now.
A perfect summation, and proven by what immediately followed:
That’s cringe-inducing, octopus.
It should be cringey to realize that the advocation of a ridiculously inconsistent standard for the purposes of virtue signaling would fail any rational analysis. The timing of the adoption of that stylistic change and the defense of the inconsistency of application should be sufficient to reveal that the stated reason is not the true reason.
Not intentionally, I assure you. It was an honest question, but due to the sensitive nature I chose to put it in the Pit rather than, say, FQ.
I pretty much expected to get flamed, but instead was educated.
Not our fault that the racists who preyed on people for the color of their skin for generations didn’t have better criteria for their bigotry.
Back in the day, if a person was mentioned in a newspaper and they weren’t white, the newspaper would point out their race, e.g. John Smith (colored), Mary Jones (Indian), etc.
I saw a PBS show a while back about the old black newspapers, and they would do things like “President Calvin Coolidge (white)”.
Coloureds like me, for one thing. Nama. San. Arabs. Berbers. Whites. There’s a whole lot of non-Black Africans.
Gosh, a Brown person is being tone policed? Gosh, this never happens…
That’s fucking sarcasm for you, you smug prick.
No “Thank you for the new information”, no “Guess my privileged, insular experience doesn’t actually map to the actual Brown people in the UK”, no, just “you spoke to me a little harshly.” White fragility in action.
@MrDibble I dont think @Riemann was replying to you…
He was quoting @Banquet_Bear
Anyway, my curiosity is satisfied, and I think this thread has run its course. I’ll request thread closure.