And that’s why Catholics seem sometimes to pay more attention to Mary than to Jesus. She can get Him to do anything.
How do you define witness?
The only thing that makes sense to me is that he decided to wait for Pay Per View.
I think Mary had the ultimate “Do you want me to call your father?” power. Combine Honor Thy Father and Mother with Phenomenal Cosmic Power and Mommy Magic (eyes in the back of the head, just “knowing” when you’re doing something wrong, and pulling all the right heart-strings/guilt-trips), and you have poor Jesus’ home life. Add in a step father who literally saved your mother(and you) from death by stoning by marrying her, and I don’t have to wonder why he went wandering in the desert. It was to get some time to himself.
Of course he didn’t want to perform miracles. That’s his dad’s powers he’s using. Imagine if you were the kid on the block with a really cool dad, who was really really strong or something. If every kid in the neighborhood kept asking “Hey, have your dad lift that car!” and “Hey! Get your dad to break that tree in half!”, then not only would Daddy start getting annoyed, but you’d be thinking that other kids only wanted to play with you so they could see your dad do tricks. I’d stop asking dad to do tricks, too. Plus, Daddy gets annoyed after being asked for the umpteenth time to lift that anvil over his head.
Well, she *was *a Jewish mother.
This you call a wedding, when you won’t even do the wine trick for these nice people ? Oh, just kill me now and be done with it, you ungrateful son. I worked so long for this wedding, but go ahead and ruin everything why don’t you. Why should you care what your Mother feels when you never even write or take the time to see her ever since you’ve had those no good “friends” of yours always following you around. Is that them who taught you to treat your mother this way ? Martha’s son now he’s a good boy, he lives with his mother like a proper son, you can be sure if he could do miracles he’d change the water into wine, and he’d make a nice dress too for her to wear and…
OKAY MOM, I GET IT, I’LL DO THE WINE TRICK ALREADY ! ME CHRIST !
See ? Now he’s yelling at his own mother who gave him the best years in her life, who washed him and fed him and always made him those nice meatballs he likes so much, ooooh I wish the Lord would just strike me down right now…
IMHO, most of the time that people demanded a miracle of Jesus, they weren’t really interested in the miracle per se, but basically wanted to see if he would fail.
Isn’t this the same excuse used by psychics who refuse to accept James Randi’s Million Dollar Challenge?
After all, Jesus’ miracles were primarily based on mass hysteria, confirmation bias, and other parlor tricks – even mainstream Christians concede that many of the people who were “possessed by demons” were merely epileptics.
Please note, He can’t perform miracles by himself. God only can give him the ability (Miracle is a divine act )
Right
I believe Christian doctrine would be that St. Mary or St. Jude or whoever cannot perform miracles by him/herself, but Jesus can because Jesus is God.
Well, that’s most Christian churches’ doctrine, anyway.
God should just snap his fingers and make himself less annoyed by petty things
Seriously, god has so much issues in the bible: he’s angry, he’s jealous, he’s annoyed, he’s sad, blah blah blah. To fix that, god should simply take those qualities out of himself. Make himself never be angry, annoyed, or jealous. Just be a good god.
In most Christian theology, Jesus IS God. There is no distinction. They are not separate entities.
I think we need to test this with an actual video. If Ms. Jolie declines, I have a list of acceptable alternatives.
Surely, this doesn’t make any sense. Glory be to God.
All prophets preached monotheism and had superior moral values and sincere faith.
Human beings live dependent on time and space. But our Lord is independent of time and space. He, Himself created time and space. It is our Lord Who created fatherhood, being a son, and having children, which are features peculiar to human life.
Please read this:
http://www.harunyahya.com/books/faith/Jesus_prophet/not_a_son05.php
Because, like Batman, he had to be prepared.
Since when do religious beliefs have to make sense?
But do they still maintain Jesus had a special miraculous ability to heal epileptics? (As I understand it, hypnosis or biofeedback techniques or some equivalent, like Rasputin supposedly used to treat Tsarevich Alexis’ hemophilia by lowering his pulse, would be of no use to an epileptic; it’s a physical glitch in the central nervous system and you can’t talk it out of existing.)
Nevertheless, there was, in the early centuries of Christianity, an awful lot of theological debate (and sometimes violence) about Christology, and ingenious arguments were presented on all sides, and the view that prevailed among Catholic, Orthodox, and most Protestant Christians is that Jesus is God.
Niceman, since the thread is premised upon the Christian version being “true” for the purposes of the debate, Diogenes is correct in pointing out that the doctrine of most Christian denominations is that Jesus IS simultaneously fully human and fully God, part of the Holy Trinity as one of the homeostases of the single Godhead (“True God from True God, of one same nature with the Father”) and that how this may make any sense is a “mystery” to be accepted on faith.
That itself has caused endless major philosophical and theological debates within Christianity for 1900+ years and especially in the first four centuries as BrainGlutton described, but it IS correct to say it’s the dominant doctrine.
Does no one have any interest in Mark 6, where it says, in every translation I can find, not that Jesus refused to do miracles, but he was UNABLE to, because the audience was skeptical?
Is that not very strong evidence from the literally true New Testament that he was no more divine than any other faith healer?
Either that, or Jesus was a battery of prayer power of some kind, or even a prayer-powered engine, if you will. He could channel that belief energy, and do things with it. If the audience didn’t believe, then he couldn’t get enough prayer power/belief energy to power the miracle.